Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

Cornersteady replied on 20/01/2023 21:03

Posted on 20/01/2023 20:38 by peedee

Why would I not believe you, it makes good sense.

peedee

Posted on 20/01/2023 21:03

Well I am not, despite what I post, against meters and any new installation or replacement should get them to be at least future proof. 

I do have reservations about using current funds, in effect 'our' money, being used to pay for them on existing sites though when they won't bring in any money to recoup that outlay. Also I do think there isn't that demand for them from people who use club sites (not having a 'go' at anyone at all) and their views should be sought?

To be fair I would say that having a trial at the site chosen is just nonsense, it doesn't sound as being particularly representative of club sites and so any results would be open to question?

nelliethehooker replied on 20/01/2023 21:13

Posted on 20/01/2023 21:13

To be fair I would say that having a trial at the site chosen is just nonsense, it doesn't sound as being particularly representative of club sites and so any results would be open to question?

It seem a most strange site to select as there won't be a warden on site to collect the money, however they are going to get members to pay for the electricity. What will happen if one or more of the bollards don't function properly? They have already introduced a number plate recognition system for entry, although I don't know-how successful that has been.We

BTW Clachan was one of the £18 pn non-facility sites, have these now all reverted to date specific prices? If so I just have missed the announcement that these sites were no longer a single price for the whole season.šŸ˜µšŸ˜µ

Burgundy replied on 20/01/2023 23:31

Posted on 20/01/2023 23:31

BTW Clachan was one of the £18 pn non-facility sites, have these now all reverted to date specific prices? If so I just have missed the announcement that these sites were no longer a single price for the whole season.šŸ˜µšŸ˜µ

 

Yes they have, and prices now based on how many people in your party. No longer a cheap option for families. Just looked at Clachan and prices for grass pitch vary from £19.70. to  £20.40 for two people and hard standing pitches are £1 per night extra. 

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brue replied on 21/01/2023 10:42

Posted on 20/01/2023 21:13 by nelliethehooker

To be fair I would say that having a trial at the site chosen is just nonsense, it doesn't sound as being particularly representative of club sites and so any results would be open to question?

It seem a most strange site to select as there won't be a warden on site to collect the money, however they are going to get members to pay for the electricity. What will happen if one or more of the bollards don't function properly? They have already introduced a number plate recognition system for entry, although I don't know-how successful that has been.We

BTW Clachan was one of the Ā£18 pn non-facility sites, have these now all reverted to date specific prices? If so I just have missed the announcement that these sites were no longer a single price for the whole season.šŸ˜µšŸ˜µ

Posted on 21/01/2023 10:42

As far as payments are concerned it's done electronically.  The privately owned Cofton Park site in Devon has recently developed a section with  metered pitches and the details of the set up are on their web site.

Cornersteady replied on 21/01/2023 10:55

Posted on 20/01/2023 21:13 by nelliethehooker

To be fair I would say that having a trial at the site chosen is just nonsense, it doesn't sound as being particularly representative of club sites and so any results would be open to question?

It seem a most strange site to select as there won't be a warden on site to collect the money, however they are going to get members to pay for the electricity. What will happen if one or more of the bollards don't function properly? They have already introduced a number plate recognition system for entry, although I don't know-how successful that has been.We

BTW Clachan was one of the Ā£18 pn non-facility sites, have these now all reverted to date specific prices? If so I just have missed the announcement that these sites were no longer a single price for the whole season.šŸ˜µšŸ˜µ

Posted on 21/01/2023 10:55

I think that, even for me, the ANPR and metering trial at Clachan is being done for the benefit of the club as that site can then be done 'remotely' from the nearby staffed site?

As I said not a fair test.

Navigateur replied on 22/01/2023 11:47

Posted on 22/01/2023 11:47

To get some accurate data about electric consumption I have just purchased a small power meter that I will fit to the caravan to allow me to monitor usage under real conditions for the way I use my caravan. 

While I'm not particularly a green crusader I see the future usage of power being more and more from electricity rather than gas.  Despite electricity cost increases, gas is still the dearest and has the inconvenience of humping cylinders about and the inherent risk of running out.  In one of the recent show reviews I read of one manufacturer now selling an all-electric caravan. Almost that now myself, as an air fryer has taken over most of the duties from the gas oven, and I’ve been using a portable electric hob for years.

I hope soon to have some real world consumption figures to share.  The meter cost me less than £20 including housing.

DavidKlyne replied on 22/01/2023 13:30

Posted on 22/01/2023 11:47 by Navigateur

To get some accurate data about electric consumption I have just purchased a small power meter that I will fit to the caravan to allow me to monitor usage under real conditions for the way I use my caravan. 

While I'm not particularly a green crusader I see the future usage of power being more and more from electricity rather than gas.  Despite electricity cost increases, gas is still the dearest and has the inconvenience of humping cylinders about and the inherent risk of running out.  In one of the recent show reviews I read of one manufacturer now selling an all-electric caravan. Almost that now myself, as an air fryer has taken over most of the duties from the gas oven, and Iā€™ve been using a portable electric hob for years.

I hope soon to have some real world consumption figures to share.  The meter cost me less than Ā£20 including housing.

Posted on 22/01/2023 13:30

It would also be interesting to know how the meter worked. Does it have to be wired into the circuit in order to measure usage? Look forward to you reporting back.

David

DavidKlyne replied on 22/01/2023 13:41

Posted on 21/01/2023 10:55 by Cornersteady

I think that, even for me, the ANPR and metering trial at Clachan is being done for the benefit of the club as that site can then be done 'remotely' from the nearby staffed site?

As I said not a fair test.

Posted on 22/01/2023 13:41

Might depend what they are testing of course? It seems that Clachan could be a trial of a different nature if that includes both ANPR and metering. Might they be experimenting with the idea of running some of the less featured sites along a similar basis to save costs. At least starting with Clachan they have support a couple of miles away if there is a problem so probably a good place to start? If it proves relatively trouble free it could be extended to other sites without the support so close by. I could, of course be barking up the wrong tree but just a thought.

I have mentioned in the past the metering has to be accepted by the members so a small test could provide useful information on a way forward. I agree that that Steamer Quay would also be a good place to start as that site did not previously have electrics so an ideal starting point.

David 

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