Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

Cornersteady replied on 20/01/2023 18:30

Posted on 20/01/2023 17:59 by

I would much prefer to read are.  Were suggest that they are no longer going to do so.

Posted on 20/01/2023 18:30

Yes for a statement made from the club now, but I was using were in the 'future in the past manner' - that is about a future arrangement made by the club in the past, which it has.

I'm not debating grammar with you DD as it's off topic, and if my grammar is incorrect the gist is clear and the club's stance is also clear in WN's post above.

brue replied on 20/01/2023 18:46

Posted on 20/01/2023 17:58 by Cornersteady

This is nothing new, wasn't there a similar response in the AGM? It has been mentioned before.

If the club was really serious it would be putting them in at SQ where a brand new installation is being done from scratch, or least put them in now and don't use the metering part?

Posted on 20/01/2023 18:46

They are serious Corners and there is quite a bit of detail in the TP response. Regarding Steamer Quay there may be alterations to the plans, much will depend on the local planning committee. https://uk.trustpilot.com/users/60800ecb1403c4001af79356

Note the bit about trialling later in the year. 

Cornersteady replied on 20/01/2023 18:59

Posted on 20/01/2023 18:46 by brue

They are serious Corners and there is quite a bit of detail in the TP response. Regarding Steamer Quay there may be alterations to the plans, much will depend on the local planning committee. https://uk.trustpilot.com/users/60800ecb1403c4001af79356

Note the bit about trialling later in the year. 

Posted on 20/01/2023 18:59

It's not got that much more detail than the club has already stated at the AGM and previously. We, or I certainly did,  already knew there would be a trial sometime this year and then the results looked at and a decision made then.

As SQ will be opening this summer either the bollards will either have meters in them and not used or they will have the standard EHU. There was nothing in the plans about meters as I pointed out and asked on the other thread.

'we hope to be in a position to trial something later this year, and if successful look to understand how we might be able to deliver this across our circa 17,500 bollards - it will however cost several millions of pounds and be rather disruptive if we choose to fast track it.'

Doesn't sound that serious to me? Even the trail is a 'hope' ?

 

brue replied on 20/01/2023 19:23

Posted on 20/01/2023 19:23

No the trial is being planned, I think it was on one of the northern sites, possibly Clayton? It has been mentioned previously by the club. I think the use of the "word" hope means what it says, just like some might say on here "they hope to go away" this year. smile

GEandGJE replied on 20/01/2023 19:31

Posted on 20/01/2023 18:59 by Cornersteady

It's not got that much more detail than the club has already stated at the AGM and previously. We, or I certainly did,  already knew there would be a trial sometime this year and then the results looked at and a decision made then.

As SQ will be opening this summer either the bollards will either have meters in them and not used or they will have the standard EHU. There was nothing in the plans about meters as I pointed out and asked on the other thread.

'we hope to be in a position to trial something later this year, and if successful look to understand how we might be able to deliver this across our circa 17,500 bollards - it will however cost several millions of pounds and be rather disruptive if we choose to fast track it.'

Doesn't sound that serious to me? Even the trail is a 'hope' ?

 

Posted on 20/01/2023 19:31

Looks as if in my OP I under estimated the number of bollards by 12,500 but got the several millions and the disruption right. Have to say that I haven't read anything since that changes my mind that metering will not get rolled out across the club network.

Cornersteady replied on 20/01/2023 19:36

Posted on 20/01/2023 19:23 by brue

No the trial is being planned, I think it was on one of the northern sites, possibly Clayton? It has been mentioned previously by the club. I think the use of the "word" hope means what it says, just like some might say on here "they hope to go away" this year. smile

Posted on 20/01/2023 19:36

Fair enough but to me that doesn't sound all that definite at all. If I said I hope to go away that would mean nothing was planned or booked at all. Once booked then it becomes more than a hope.

Also if successful  it would be looked at? Is this the language of being serious?

So it's several years down the line even if successful?

 

 

Cornersteady replied on 20/01/2023 19:37

Posted on 20/01/2023 19:31 by GEandGJE

Looks as if in my OP I under estimated the number of bollards by 12,500 but got the several millions and the disruption right. Have to say that I haven't read anything since that changes my mind that metering will not get rolled out across the club network.

Posted on 20/01/2023 19:37

+1

peedee replied on 20/01/2023 19:55

Posted on 20/01/2023 19:36 by Cornersteady

Fair enough but to me that doesn't sound all that definite at all. If I said I hope to go away that would mean nothing was planned or booked at all. Once booked then it becomes more than a hope.

Also if successful  it would be looked at? Is this the language of being serious?

So it's several years down the line even if successful?

 

 

Posted on 20/01/2023 19:55

 I agree, it is not the language of serious intent. The Club is stalling.

peedee

Cornersteady replied on 20/01/2023 20:05

Posted on 20/01/2023 19:55 by peedee

 I agree, it is not the language of serious intent. The Club is stalling.

peedee

Posted on 20/01/2023 20:05

yes, I know you won't perhaps believe me but I do really think the club should put in meters at SQ, it's the best time to do financially, will make the site 'cheaper' if people want to use their own power and as it is non awning perhaps may appeal more to MHs? Or put them in and not use them?

 

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