Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

nelliethehooker replied on 05/12/2022 19:26

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:26

not helped by the ridiculous clock change which forces everyone to have their heating on for an extra hour each evening

YT, one is  not "forced" to have the heating on for the extra hour because of the clock change, you can just ignore the change and stick to summer time, especially as you, like many on here, are retired and don't have to clock-watch.

Tinwheeler replied on 05/12/2022 19:29

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:18 by mickysf

Absolutely Tinny, don’t forget the name change, the rebranding, the work time agreement, those political and unmentionable factors, the list goes on! Not all of these are within the control of the club but some may be. As some will say, it is what it is! Our contributions to the hikes are also having a consequence in the grand scheme of things.

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:29

Undoubtedly members' contributions (not "ours") in terms of energy use will reflect in price rises but the point I’m making is that it is far from the only reason, as you realise, and I think it’s doubtful if members turning heating down etc will make any meaningful difference. I think the consumption angle is probably being overstated and the real culprit will likely be the cost charged by the energy supplier. 

moulesy replied on 05/12/2022 19:35

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:26 by nelliethehooker

not helped by the ridiculous clock change which forces everyone to have their heating on for an extra hour each evening

YT, one is  not "forced" to have the heating on for the extra hour because of the clock change, you can just ignore the change and stick to summer time, especially as you, like many on here, are retired and don't have to clock-watch.

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:35

I didn't see the original quote, Nellie,  but I agree with you - it's nothing to do with the clock changing. Surely it's the temperature which decides when you put your heating on? undecided

mickysf replied on 05/12/2022 19:53

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:29 by Tinwheeler

Undoubtedly members' contributions (not "ours") in terms of energy use will reflect in price rises but the point I’m making is that it is far from the only reason, as you realise, and I think it’s doubtful if members turning heating down etc will make any meaningful difference. I think the consumption angle is probably being overstated and the real culprit will likely be the cost charged by the energy supplier. 

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:53

Yep, pretty true Tinny, it’s just that some, may be a minority, take our biscuit and  us for a ride at the same time and are allowed to do so. But yes, those energy suppliers and their political friends/ allies have so much to answer for! They are very much at the root of the problem.

JVB66 replied on 05/12/2022 19:57

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:18 by mickysf

Absolutely Tinny, don’t forget the name change, the rebranding, the work time agreement, those political and unmentionable factors, the list goes on! Not all of these are within the control of the club but some may be. As some will say, it is what it is! Our contributions to the hikes are also having a consequence in the grand scheme of things.

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:57

The "you asked so we listened"is one the the best get outs so far that this club has for doing things that it seems the majority of members are unable to understand why?

Tinwheeler replied on 05/12/2022 20:00

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:53 by mickysf

Yep, pretty true Tinny, it’s just that some, may be a minority, take our biscuit and  us for a ride at the same time and are allowed to do so. But yes, those energy suppliers and their political friends/ allies have so much to answer for! They are very much at the root of the problem.

Posted on 05/12/2022 20:00

You and I have no idea of the proportion of campers who are profligate with energy usage, Micky, and it may amount to only a very few so it’s my contention that blaming them for the increase in site fees is jumping to conclusions. I’m not sure speculation will help your situation.

mickysf replied on 05/12/2022 20:10

Posted on 05/12/2022 20:00 by Tinwheeler

You and I have no idea of the proportion of campers who are profligate with energy usage, Micky, and it may amount to only a very few so it’s my contention that blaming them for the increase in site fees is jumping to conclusions. I’m not sure speculation will help your situation.

Posted on 05/12/2022 20:10

I’m not blaming them, just pointing out that they, regardless of how many, are subsidised by us moderate users. The blame is on the system that allows these selfish few to continue in this vane. They certainly don’t set a good example to the rest of us In these difficult times and they are milking the system which allows them to do so. Surely because they can is not an excuse to do so in these challenging times, is it?

huskydog replied on 05/12/2022 20:22

Posted on 05/12/2022 20:22

How do some members know that some members go out of their unit and leave their heating on , do they go round the site with a thermal imaging device ? 

What are the Club do to save costs on their side ,or are they putting all on its members ?

Tinwheeler replied on 05/12/2022 20:41

Posted on 05/12/2022 20:10 by mickysf

I’m not blaming them, just pointing out that they, regardless of how many, are subsidised by us moderate users. The blame is on the system that allows these selfish few to continue in this vane. They certainly don’t set a good example to the rest of us In these difficult times and they are milking the system which allows them to do so. Surely because they can is not an excuse to do so in these challenging times, is it?

Posted on 05/12/2022 20:41

No excuse, Micky, but I do feel you’re jumping to conclusions without sound evidence. The flaws of the existing system are being realised but that does not mean it is totally inadequate and it may yet prove to be the most cost effective for the end user - you. However, that will not be known unless and until metering becomes the norm. Like the deposit scheme, this could turn out to be another case of being careful what you wish for.

replied on 05/12/2022 20:45

Posted on 05/12/2022 19:35 by moulesy

I didn't see the original quote, Nellie,  but I agree with you - it's nothing to do with the clock changing. Surely it's the temperature which decides when you put your heating on? undecided

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