Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

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Tinwheeler replied on 28/11/2022 17:48

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:48

There are strict rules about the reselling of electricity, GE, and it can only be resold at the price the reseller pays the energy company. Therefore, the price per kWh will vary between sires. I don’t seem to have the link any more but you can look up the regs. It’s far more involved than many people think.

Didn't CAMC say they were proposing you trial metering lekky on a couple of sites? It’ll happen, the only question is when.

Cornersteady replied on 28/11/2022 18:04

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:04

I can't remember if it was looking at a trial or actually doing a trial? I agree with the OP and it's money that cannot be recouped in any way.

Having said that perhaps when any new sites are built from scratch or very major refurbishments then why not? Or perhaps it's cheaper to not have them then?

I think it might be like deposits, almost everyone on here was for them till they appeared then scores of non regular posters appeared to say the opposite.

JVB66 replied on 28/11/2022 18:19

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:19

As many of this clubs sites are leased and I understand that not a small percentage are coming up for renewal in the next few years, 

Will it happen? with metering.on many sites with the investment required before it becomes the norm ,

I understand that a couple of sites this year are to have meters installed to test the water and the electricity used will via an app on a smart phone how some members or non members will pay if they do not have the app 

Will be about the same as members are finding without the latest programme in their computers with the latest booking? System 

Takethedogalong replied on 28/11/2022 18:22

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:22

It won’t make a blind bit of difference what the Membership thinks or says. The Club will look at its usage figures, and if all is hunky dory, then it will just continue along the same path. If Site usage starts to dwindle, or it becomes apparent that there is a swing towards less use of energy, then the Club will possibly react in some way. It’s as simple as that. This is not a dynamic organisation……..

JVB66 replied on 28/11/2022 18:34

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:48 by Tinwheeler

There are strict rules about the reselling of electricity, GE, and it can only be resold at the price the reseller pays the energy company. Therefore, the price per kWh will vary between sires. I don’t seem to have the link any more but you can look up the regs. It’s far more involved than many people think.

Didn't CAMC say they were proposing you trial metering lekky on a couple of sites? It’ll happen, the only question is when.

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:34

Electricity is legaly only allowed to be "sold on" at the price the seller   ie,  in this instance  the CAMC pays for it,  but what about a standing charge for the meters to cover maintenance and calibration 

Tinwheeler replied on 28/11/2022 18:41

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:34 by JVB66

Electricity is legaonly allowed to be "sold on" at the price the seller   ie,  in this instance  the CAMC  but what about a standing charge for the meters to cover maintenance and calibration 

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:41

Your first line is what I said. As for the rest, from memory, it's not allowed to be included in the metered price but it’s all covered in the regs.

 

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 18:48

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:48

I think a trial of metering  at a site or couple of sites would be purely to obtain data on the actual electricity used by pitch and pitch types. Also the to gauge costs, installation and to also trial payment systems and all of that data can then be used to determine the feasibility of a network rollout. Also a trial like that can be done without impacting members.

JVB66 replied on 28/11/2022 18:53

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:41 by Tinwheeler

Your first line is what I said. As for the rest, from memory, it's not allowed to be included in the metered price but it’s all covered in the regs.

 

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:53

It is where the maintenance and calibration costs ,will be where members will be in the dispute situation,

Does this club have a national electricity contract or is it by area?

  • I do know that the meters on club sites have/had several different readings figures 

Tinwheeler replied on 28/11/2022 18:56

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:53 by JVB66

It is where the maintenance and calibration costs ,will be where members will be in the dispute situation,

Does this club have a national electricity contract or is it by area?

  • I do know that the meters on club sites have/had several different readings figures 

Posted on 28/11/2022 18:56

Sorry, I’m not in a position to answer your question or to comment on the rest.

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