Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

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JVB66 replied on 29/11/2022 09:57

Posted on 28/11/2022 23:10 by Cornersteady

Maybe or maybe not but we're told by Ro that the system had to be replaced as it was nearing its end of life?

Posted on 29/11/2022 09:57

That it seems is similar to what the staff of the company that the engineer who came to rectify the fault on OHs stairlift yesterday apologised for the lack of information he had been given 

The  Dutch company owners have been trying to make a replacement system to be user friendly for two years after someone  new at senior director level decides we need a more up to date system even after when put to the staff no real explanation was forthcoming

It seems it is endemic with companies today

 

Takethedogalong replied on 29/11/2022 10:04

Posted on 29/11/2022 09:47 by SteveL

Is it worth anything? If you can’t have a caravan site, where the occupants can be easily evacuated, it’s hardly going to be viewed as prime building land and that’s where the money is.

Posted on 29/11/2022 10:04

Well……someone invested in a rather swanky looking hotel right next to Rowntree Park, and as far as I know, it’s doing ok.😁 

Cornersteady replied on 29/11/2022 10:06

Posted on 29/11/2022 09:27 by cyberyacht

"we will be looking at additional ways to encourage the membership to be mindful of a responsible use of energy when on site."

The most obvious one, given a degree of reluctance to definitely embrace metering, is to reduce the supply to 10amps. That would immediately encourage a more 'responsible use' of electricity.

As for the cost of metering, using the previously posted "fag packet" calculations of about £5M or so, we have, allegedly, just blown £5.7M on the new booking system and that doesn't even work properly.

Posted on 29/11/2022 10:06

Would it really? You appear to think CY that everyone is using 16A all the time, I'm not sure where you get this from, is that from personal experience?

10 amps would give 2400W? Once after warm up my heating is toasty enough at the 0.9 Kw setting. We would use electric cooking for some of the time but nowhere near the extra and high power items (hairdryers) for very short periods of the time. Where's the savings you talk about? 

The booking system doesn't work at all? 

JVB66 replied on 29/11/2022 10:09

Posted on 28/11/2022 22:52 by Tinwheeler

I’m interested to know whether it is the opinion of Tesco managers and directors that they would like to close the self checkouts, or the view of the temporary employees?

Often the official view of these things differs greatly between decision makers who see the bigger picture and the folk at the coal face with their, inevitably, more limited outlook as can also be seen in CAMC in the varying views of directors and site staff.

Posted on 29/11/2022 10:09

I would think as with the cc and it seems other companies as well the senior management seem to turn a deaf ear to staff from the coal face who have voiced their opinions when a new untested properly system is rolled out with many problems that it seems were voiced by staff who have had to deal with the consequences 

Takethedogalong replied on 29/11/2022 10:19

Posted on 29/11/2022 10:19

Some of us have been Members long enough to recall when EHU bollards were installed into Club Sites. They weren’t done all at the same time, but over an extended period of years. Certainly Marazion (a leased site) was done this way, because I can recall having the option of “with or without” for at least a couple of seasons on there. The paddock area at the back of reception remained bollard free for a while. Reverse situation to outfits now, caravans with plug in capabilities were just getting popular, so if you had a newish outfit, you went for a bollard. Now, we have outfits capable of doing without EHU, or using minimal, so the trend has gone full circle. Hence why the Club is thinking about changes.

I’d also like to say that I would resent not being trusted enough to be honest about hooking up if given the option. I pointed out somewhere else how easy it would be to have a simple system for monitoring. We spent 15 years with this option on a Cornish Site, friends with the owners, and as far as I can recall, they didn’t think it much of an issue. But perhaps folks twenty odd years on have different morals🤷‍♀️

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SteveL replied on 29/11/2022 10:26

Posted on 29/11/2022 10:06 by Cornersteady

Would it really? You appear to think CY that everyone is using 16A all the time, I'm not sure where you get this from, is that from personal experience?

10 amps would give 2400W? Once after warm up my heating is toasty enough at the 0.9 Kw setting. We would use electric cooking for some of the time but nowhere near the extra and high power items (hairdryers) for very short periods of the time. Where's the savings you talk about? 

The booking system doesn't work at all? 

Posted on 29/11/2022 10:26

To be fair to CY he was talking about :- “That would immediately encourage a more 'responsible use' of electricity” rather than specifically savings. 

It would certainly make folk think. 10 amps would be fine for us now, with how we operate in our MH. However, when we had our Cadiz with microwave, up to 3kw Alde and all the other electrical gadgets we used to carry, even with 16 amps on some occasions planning was required.

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