Early arrivals - action at last?

Tinwheeler replied on 03/09/2022 12:51

Posted on 03/09/2022 12:51

I’ve said several times when we’ve discussed the issue of early arrivals that, in my opinion, the only effective way to deal with recalcitrant 'offenders' is to apply membership sanctions.

I’ve been reading elsewhere of a CAMC member who, it’s reported, has had his club membership suspended by the Site Manager due to arriving early at Hillhead and refusing to leave despite being requested to do so by that Site Manager.

In this case it seems to have been the member's own lack of planning and forethought which resulted in his early arrival so it’s not a case of there being any extenuating circumstances.

Obviously only one side of the story is given and we need to keep open minds but, if this is factual, it would appear that the club is using its teeth in an effort to enforce the no arrivals before 1300 rule. Perhaps this is what is needed to get the message across.

Cornersteady replied on 05/09/2022 16:37

Posted on 05/09/2022 13:26 by SteveL

I didn’t word it very well CS, I realise that. My point was really that there would be less chance of folk still arriving early if the club came straight out and said you WILL be asked to leave, rather than the weak MAY that they have employed. That to me implies that a degree of discretion might be forthcoming and encourages a few to take the risk.

Posted on 05/09/2022 16:37

Fair enough Steve, and I agree. 

LLM replied on 05/09/2022 16:55

Posted on 05/09/2022 13:03 by Cornersteady

But was the suspension for arriving early? I would say not. They were asked to leave, not once but twice before the SM said their booking was cancelled and membership suspended.  

Posted on 05/09/2022 16:55

A very strange assertion.  One that definitely does not work as the two things are  inseparably linked. 

cyberyacht replied on 05/09/2022 17:41

Posted on 05/09/2022 17:41

If draconian penalties are desired then a head on a spike at the site entrance "pour l'encourager le autres" would certainly get the message across. I can imagine such a feature being an attraction to boys of a certain age -'can we go that site with the dead, dad?'

What has happened to the LNA area? Has it been "rewilded". A "cunning plan" could have been to pull in there immediately and waited the requisite time out of sight of the office.

Having examined the "banjo" on GoogleEarth, whilst a bit of a faff, it doesn't seem an impossible solution to the eviction until opening time.

As has been observed, there may be more to this episode than just 10-15 minutes. Personally these days I find, like Maria von Trapp, I'm always late for everything.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 05/09/2022 17:43

Posted on 05/09/2022 16:55 by LLM

A very strange assertion.  One that definitely does not work as the two things are  inseparably linked. 

Posted on 05/09/2022 17:43

That’s way off base they are totally separate issues. The blatant refusals engendered the possible sanction not the early arrival.

JVB66 replied on 05/09/2022 17:50

Posted on 05/09/2022 17:43 by Rocky 2 buckets

That’s way off base they are totally separate issues. The blatant refusals engendered the possible sanction not the early arrival.

Posted on 05/09/2022 17:50

It is where box ticking a draconian  order and common sense possibly collided

Cornersteady replied on 05/09/2022 17:56

Posted on 05/09/2022 16:55 by LLM

A very strange assertion.  One that definitely does not work as the two things are  inseparably linked. 

Posted on 05/09/2022 17:56

I would say not linked at all  if you read what the Op on the other forum posted:

...approached by two wardens who directed us to leave the site immediately , and return after 1pm. When asked where we could go were told to turn left out of the site, toward  Kingswear and the ferry terminal. Having attended the site previously, and knowing the geography of the very narrow and steep lane, I declined to do soon the grounds of safety to my wife myself, my car and caravan.

Five minutes later 12.50pm(still 10 minutes early we were approached by a gentleman stating that he was the site manager. He instructed me to leave immediately and return after 1pm(Less than 10 minutes).

I again sited the relative safety issues and refused to leave for the sake of 10 minutes. I was very polite with the man. The site manager then told me that my booking was cancelled with immediate effect, and my CMC membership suspended

Note well the then in the last paragraph

So if one follows the parts in bold in the timeline given, they were asked to leave the site, they refused, another site manager instructed them to leave, they refused again, and then they were told their booking was cancelled and membership suspended.

If they had left the first time it would have been no cancellation and suspension, if they had left the second time same again bit it was only after they refused to leave the second that the action was taken. They sanction was taken because they refused to follow the site manager's instruction not the early arrival. Failure to follow a warden's instruction is perfectly fair grounds to have a booking cancelled and membership suspended.

Cornersteady replied on 05/09/2022 17:56

Posted on 05/09/2022 17:43 by Rocky 2 buckets

That’s way off base they are totally separate issues. The blatant refusals engendered the possible sanction not the early arrival.

Posted on 05/09/2022 17:56

what he said

JVB66 replied on 05/09/2022 19:06

Posted on 05/09/2022 17:56 by Cornersteady

I would say not linked at all  if you read what the Op on the other forum posted:

...approached by two wardens who directed us to leave the site immediately , and return after 1pm. When asked where we could go were told to turn left out of the site, toward  Kingswear and the ferry terminal. Having attended the site previously, and knowing the geography of the very narrow and steep lane, I declined to do soon the grounds of safety to my wife myself, my car and caravan.

Five minutes later 12.50pm(still 10 minutes early we were approached by a gentleman stating that he was the site manager. He instructed me to leave immediately and return after 1pm(Less than 10 minutes).

I again sited the relative safety issues and refused to leave for the sake of 10 minutes. I was very polite with the man. The site manager then told me that my booking was cancelled with immediate effect, and my CMC membership suspended

Note well the then in the last paragraph

So if one follows the parts in bold in the timeline given, they were asked to leave the site, they refused, another site manager instructed them to leave, they refused again, and then they were told their booking was cancelled and membership suspended.

If they had left the first time it would have been no cancellation and suspension, if they had left the second time same again bit it was only after they refused to leave the second that the action was taken. They sanction was taken because they refused to follow the site manager's instruction not the early arrival. Failure to follow a warden's instruction is perfectly fair grounds to have a booking cancelled and membership suspended.

Posted on 05/09/2022 19:06

I expect there are quite a few others in the situation.as stated to the site staff by the member , in that situation me included would be in the same situation it would have been well past 1300 even if he had done as said by the first two staff members,

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