Early arrivals - action at last?

Tinwheeler replied on 03/09/2022 12:51

Posted on 03/09/2022 12:51

I’ve said several times when we’ve discussed the issue of early arrivals that, in my opinion, the only effective way to deal with recalcitrant 'offenders' is to apply membership sanctions.

I’ve been reading elsewhere of a CAMC member who, it’s reported, has had his club membership suspended by the Site Manager due to arriving early at Hillhead and refusing to leave despite being requested to do so by that Site Manager.

In this case it seems to have been the member's own lack of planning and forethought which resulted in his early arrival so it’s not a case of there being any extenuating circumstances.

Obviously only one side of the story is given and we need to keep open minds but, if this is factual, it would appear that the club is using its teeth in an effort to enforce the no arrivals before 1300 rule. Perhaps this is what is needed to get the message across.

EmilysDad replied on 04/09/2022 14:44

Posted on 04/09/2022 14:44

The up shot of all this is that black & white rules don't work? Common sense should prevail.

Cornersteady replied on 04/09/2022 14:56

Posted on 04/09/2022 14:44 by EmilysDad

The up shot of all this is that black & white rules don't work? Common sense should prevail.

Posted on 04/09/2022 14:56

No. They don't work because of people trying to arrive early and thinking the rules, T&C, somehow do not apply to them? These are the people that should be held to account not the rules, and thankfully they are, they are asked to come back in accordance with what they have agreed to and if they refuse then suspension is possible.

For me go for it and more and sooner or later the message will get through.

What you're saying is that if a black and white rule is being broken then the rule is somehow broken? Ok so speed limits, parking violations... Now I suppose they are imposed and we have to abide by them but this is something that people of their own accord tick a box to say they will, if they don't like them why book with the club?

If they don't arrive early then there are no problems? 

I'm reminded of an episode of Airline when someone said, this is supposed to to EasyJet, and the brilliant reply was, it is easy if you keep to the T&Cs.

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 04/09/2022 14:57

Posted on 04/09/2022 13:57 by EmilysDad

But at least they wouldn't have turned you around & told you to go away till the store opened. You'd be able to wait in their car park.

Posted on 04/09/2022 14:57

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peedee replied on 04/09/2022 15:00

Posted on 04/09/2022 15:00

It is worth considering the arrival time was not as stated.  He may have been earlier than just 15mins. People do try and pinch a bit when it comes to stating times to make their case more favourable.. Mind you even if accurate he was still too early.

peedee.

EmilysDad replied on 04/09/2022 15:03

Posted on 04/09/2022 14:56 by Cornersteady

No. They don't work because of people trying to arrive early and thinking the rules, T&C, somehow do not apply to them? These are the people that should be held to account not the rules, and thankfully they are, they are asked to come back in accordance with what they have agreed to and if they refuse then suspension is possible.

For me go for it and more and sooner or later the message will get through.

What you're saying is that if a black and white rule is being broken then the rule is somehow broken? Ok so speed limits, parking violations... Now I suppose they are imposed and we have to abide by them but this is something that people of their own accord tick a box to say they will, if they don't like them why book with the club?

If they don't arrive early then there are no problems? 

I'm reminded of an episode of Airline when someone said, this is supposed to to EasyJet, and the brilliant reply was, it is easy if you keep to the T&Cs.

Posted on 04/09/2022 15:03

There's some iimd of leeway even with a speed limit  .... people don't get prosecuted for just a mph over the limit  ... common sense .

JollyKernow replied on 04/09/2022 15:14

Posted on 04/09/2022 14:28 by JVB66

We have met in the past in this club, what some would call "jobs worth"  normally those those who have not been in responsible jobs and given a bit of that it goes to their heads 

As for the member in question as I posted ,the journey from Exeter to Hillhead can be good or dependent on time of day and as it seems during the busiest time of year in Devon an absolute nightmare as we have encountered  even after the relief  road was opened ,as as stated at our second home "All departures by 1200"  and as for asking if a later departure.is possible  we have encountered the negative as "your pitch will  need to be checked before we can use it again?" We were on a hardstand?!!!!  So common sense is it seems ,in very short order recently 

Posted on 04/09/2022 15:14

Having worked at Exeter Racecourse I know there's enough ground away from pitching areas for at least 30 outfits to park safely, free of charge, all day long. No reason at all to arrive at any site anywhere before the stated arrival time, so yes you're right, common sense in very short order

JK.

Tinwheeler replied on 04/09/2022 15:19

Posted on 04/09/2022 14:28 by JVB66

We have met in the past in this club, what some would call "jobs worth"  normally those those who have not been in responsible jobs and given a bit of that it goes to their heads 

As for the member in question as I posted ,the journey from Exeter to Hillhead can be good or dependent on time of day and as it seems during the busiest time of year in Devon an absolute nightmare as we have encountered  even after the relief  road was opened ,as as stated at our second home "All departures by 1200"  and as for asking if a later departure.is possible  we have encountered the negative as "your pitch will  need to be checked before we can use it again?" We were on a hardstand?!!!!  So common sense is it seems ,in very short order recently 

Posted on 04/09/2022 15:19

I don’t follow your point about late departures as Exeter Racecourse has ample waiting space outside of the CAMC site.

23 miles from there to Hillhead and it’s dual carriageway most of the way - a route I know well. Why even break the journey that close to his destination? 

You keep talking about common sense but we've covered that aspect a few times and I say yet again that with all sites being different, a blanket ruling seems to be applied by the club in the interests of standardisation. You surely cannot be suggesting a warden should disobey his employer and jeopardise his employment.

Tinwheeler replied on 04/09/2022 15:21

Posted on 04/09/2022 15:14 by JollyKernow

Having worked at Exeter Racecourse I know there's enough ground away from pitching areas for at least 30 outfits to park safely, free of charge, all day long. No reason at all to arrive at any site anywhere before the stated arrival time, so yes you're right, common sense in very short order

JK.

Posted on 04/09/2022 15:21

JK, we do not know if this person asked for a late departure from Exeter. He has not indicated that he did.

Cornersteady replied on 04/09/2022 15:26

Posted on 04/09/2022 15:03 by EmilysDad

There's some iimd of leeway even with a speed limit  .... people don't get prosecuted for just a mph over the limit  ... common sense .

Posted on 04/09/2022 15:26

Actually they do, been a few cases up here I can think of, and then it was but I was only doing 31 mph... as if that was some form of defence in law, which it wasn't.

But again this idea that somehow arriving before 1pm is acceptable just because it's only a few minutes, (and remember this was 15 minutes) is OK just leads to further problems, 5 minutes OK, so 7, 8...

This is a rule which one agrees to (and really it has to be the simplest rule about - no arrivals before one) yet appears to be totally incomprehensible to some members that they have to abide by it 

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