Clachan Arrival Trial.

DavidKlyne replied on 28/08/2022 00:17

DavidKlyne

Posted on 28/08/2022 00:17

This link was posted in the General Chat section but I think it would be good repost here as a separate discussion. https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/uk-holidays/useful-information/arrival-efficiency-trial-at-clachan/

The Club are going to trial the use of ANPR from 24th August at the Clachan site in Scotland to automate arrivals with the likelihood it will be rolled out to more sites if successful. Some of you may have already used commercial sites where ANRP is employed to access a site. All the details are quite extensively covered in the link. Members will have to make sure their registration number is registered when booking and apparently payment will be taken on the morning of arrival.

David

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Rocky 2 buckets replied on 29/08/2022 11:36

Rocky 2 buckets

Posted on 29/08/2022 10:44 by

The history of ANPR actually goes back to 1976 at what was then know as the Police Scientific Development Branch (PSDB) (now titled Home Office Scientific Development Branch) and early systems were developed for use from 1979.

The main developer later moved to Thales Research and Technology based in Reading where he was one of my engineers developing facial recognition systems. Charlie was a very clever chap who took a lot of gentle ribbing on a daily basis when other member of staff, including me, were caught by one of "his" 🤬 systems. It was often suggested that he should develop special number plates that his blasted ANPR couldn't read. He always declined but did admit in an unguarded moment that he could do so.

Posted on 29/08/2022 11:36

I discounted the 70’s due to it not being fully operational. Whereas in the 80’s it was. We can both pat ourselves on the back-1) we can read & copy text, 2) we trust Google👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Rocky 2 buckets replied on 29/08/2022 11:46

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Posted on 29/08/2022 11:12 by davetommo

“I don't see the local authority or the police being happy to allow outfits to queue on the road in view of the chaos it will cause to the local traffic. I fear the Caravan Club could be forced to abandon the trial early by the authorities.”

If you are causing an obstruction on the road then it is a traffic offence. The police can then book you for the offence and you pays your fine. I don’t know if you can get penalty points or not, I dare say some one on here will know

Cause Vehicle to Be Left in a Dangerous Position (Endorsable)
CJS Offence Code: RT88508

Offence Wording: Cause Vehicle to Be Left in a Dangerous Position (Endorsable)

Contrary to section 22 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and Schedule 2 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

This offence carries a fine of £100 and three penalty points.

Posted on 29/08/2022 11:46

Just a couple of things DT-no one will be made to cause an obstruction, no one is made to rock up before the gates are live. If I ever get the option to queue on the highway I’ll drive around or move on. Nothing is set in stone.

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Takethedogalong replied on 29/08/2022 11:52

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Posted on 29/08/2022 11:30 by brue

That doesn't sound like a good start to a holiday!? In the end if the customer experience isn't going to be good ie no-one around to help them as they arrive at a site I'm wondering if this really is the way forward. A good idea on paper maybe? Does it mean cameras will be needed on site too? It could be the thin end of the wedge for customers unfortunately.

Posted on 29/08/2022 11:52

I don’t worry too much about it brue, as I am sure the Club and Site staff will still be on hand for anyone who might need a hand, such as the Member who posted a while ago about needing help pitching up. The Club has always had a good reputation at times like this.

If it speeds up arrival and getting onto a pitch for the vast majority, it can only help those who might need a staff presence? If it helps keep the smaller sites open at a challenging time for recruitment, then again, I see it as a huge help😁

Takethedogalong replied on 29/08/2022 11:55

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Posted on 29/08/2022 11:46 by Rocky 2 buckets

Just a couple of things DT-no one will be made to cause an obstruction, no one is made to rock up before the gates are live. If I ever get the option to queue on the highway I’ll drive around or move on. Nothing is set in stone.

Posted on 29/08/2022 11:55

+1. And the reality of a police presence being around is frankly laughable to be honest. But that’s another debate for elsewhere.

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brue replied on 29/08/2022 11:55

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Posted on 29/08/2022 11:46 by Rocky 2 buckets

Just a couple of things DT-no one will be made to cause an obstruction, no one is made to rock up before the gates are live. If I ever get the option to queue on the highway I’ll drive around or move on. Nothing is set in stone.

Posted on 29/08/2022 11:55

At this particular site moving on could involve a long drive round Loch Tay!

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Cornersteady replied on 29/08/2022 12:04

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Posted on 29/08/2022 12:04

I didn't know much about this site and certainly didn't know that until this trail that you had to book in at the nearby site then drive over?

So part of me thinks that while this is being billed as a trial, has it been introduced to get round this booking in and drive process? Also from DK's photograph I can't see any barrier there already? Again it may have been done for added security reasons? So maybe the trial is just being added on as another advantage? Which idea came first?

Don't get me wrong I welcome the trial and eventual roll out across all or more sites but that could take some time

I agree with Nav's post and in fact it's what started me thinking. This is a bit remote for a test? A more 'middle of the road' site in terms of location and usage would be a better next step?

Tinwheeler replied on 29/08/2022 12:10

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Posted on 29/08/2022 11:29 by young thomas

Whatever. There's certainly no pleasing you either, it seems.👎

The point is, the technology is there to continually improve the whole customer experience. Agreed, the process starts with ANPR, terrific, but my post (oh, and don't forget Steve also pointed it out yet doesn't get 'pulled up' by you in the way some other do...) along with Steve's (and DD, TG, WTG etc who've actually used this technology) showed how it can be built on to make further improvements to the 'entry' process which can only be driven once the technology is in place.

yes, baby steps, sort the ANPR first, but also review the benefits to the whole process that this can bring.

im neither happy nor unhappy the club is going down this route, merely interested in discussing how this new tech can underpin change that couldn't even be considered without the ANPR.

I've decided to use no CAMC sites moving forward which gives me about the same experience as you. Where are you on the happiness scale for APNR...

Not relevant, I guess.

Posted on 29/08/2022 12:10

I can say that you are completely wrong, BB. I am very pleased and happy.

Oh, btw, I have used sites with ANPR and, to keep it appropriate, they have been in the UK and it worked very well. I think we all fully understand the score.

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Navigateur replied on 29/08/2022 12:10

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Posted on 29/08/2022 12:10

Has anyone read anything about the trial being carried out elsewhere, perhaps with the same set of equipment being moved on after a few months?

Takethedogalong replied on 29/08/2022 12:14

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Posted on 29/08/2022 12:14

It’s in the link in the OP Nav. Lots of suggested questions, with the Club’s answer underneath. This is first trial, if it works, it will be tried elsewhere.