Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

replied on 02/01/2018 23:10

Posted on 02/01/2018 23:10

No idea if anyone charges a car for business use in the first place though.

 

replied on 03/01/2018 04:58

Posted on 02/01/2018 23:10 by

No idea if anyone charges a car for business use in the first place though.

 

Posted on 03/01/2018 04:58

I can't see that it makes any difference whether you charge an EV for business or personal use, the charge is just the same, once it has its full charge it cannot charge anymore until some of the existing charge is used.

Justus2 replied on 03/01/2018 07:22

Posted on 03/01/2018 07:22

For the time being, the club are happy about EV batteries being charged, use up to the 16 amp bollard limit for whatever you want. The site fees are based on the historic average daily use of electricity per pitch.

Imagine over time the number of electric cars on sites increases vastly. The club will increase the pitch fees to reflect the increase in average daily use. Therefore everyone carries the cost of the increase in the club's electricity bill, even if many members are not benefiting personally.

I for one would not be happy about paying an increase in site fees to subsidise another members transport costs via electricity. Now at the moment, it is an insignificant amount as the numbers are very very small, but over time it may increase vastly. If the charging also covers business vehicles on charge over night I would be doubly unhappy. Why should the ordinary membership fund the charging of vehicles for business use to save costs for vehicles of reps, delivery vehicles or whatever else comes along. Costs for the charging of business vehicles, should be borne ( in my opinion ) by that business not other club members.

SteveL replied on 03/01/2018 08:09

Posted on 03/01/2018 04:58 by

I can't see that it makes any difference whether you charge an EV for business or personal use, the charge is just the same, once it has its full charge it cannot charge anymore until some of the existing charge is used.

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:09

Presumably it would to the tax man??

replied on 03/01/2018 08:10

Posted on 03/01/2018 07:22 by Justus2

For the time being, the club are happy about EV batteries being charged, use up to the 16 amp bollard limit for whatever you want. The site fees are based on the historic average daily use of electricity per pitch.

Imagine over time the number of electric cars on sites increases vastly. The club will increase the pitch fees to reflect the increase in average daily use. Therefore everyone carries the cost of the increase in the club's electricity bill, even if many members are not benefiting personally.

I for one would not be happy about paying an increase in site fees to subsidise another members transport costs via electricity. Now at the moment, it is an insignificant amount as the numbers are very very small, but over time it may increase vastly. If the charging also covers business vehicles on charge over night I would be doubly unhappy. Why should the ordinary membership fund the charging of vehicles for business use to save costs for vehicles of reps, delivery vehicles or whatever else comes along. Costs for the charging of business vehicles, should be borne ( in my opinion ) by that business not other club members.

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:10

It won't make any difference, justus2 because people who charge their EVs will be turning off other electric appliances in order that there's sufficient output available. So no reason to increase the cost just because an EV is plugged in instead of a 2 kw electric kettle! Also it will mean that the club is endorsing government policy of a cleaner and greener environment through encouraging the use of EVs instead of higher polluting vehicles. In other words no extra charge either now or in the future.

SteveL replied on 03/01/2018 08:15

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:10 by

It won't make any difference because people who charge their EVs will be turning off other electric appliances in order that there's sufficient output available. So no reason to increase the cost just because an EV is plugged in instead of a 2 kw electric kettle!

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:15

What other appliances are going to consume 2kw for hours on end, when the heating is not running? Even the aircon is only required a few days a year.

Justus2 replied on 03/01/2018 08:19

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:10 by

It won't make any difference, justus2 because people who charge their EVs will be turning off other electric appliances in order that there's sufficient output available. So no reason to increase the cost just because an EV is plugged in instead of a 2 kw electric kettle! Also it will mean that the club is endorsing government policy of a cleaner and greener environment through encouraging the use of EVs instead of higher polluting vehicles.

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:19

Actually I am not prone to boiling a kettle constantly during the night.

If an electric car uses lets say £2.50 per night to charge and lets say there are eventually 10 on site that's an extra £25 per night to charge those cars that didn't exist before.

If you multiply that by 365 days per year its just over £9000 !!

The club won't absorb that extra cost per site, it will likely pass it on..

Roll on pay for electricity at the bollard then we can all only pay for what we individually use :-) 

replied on 03/01/2018 08:19

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:15 by SteveL

What other appliances are going to consume 2kw for hours on end, when the heating is not running? Even the aircon is only required a few days a year.

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:19

The Alde heating in nearly all caravans can run on 2 or even 3 kw. There are people that use it even on colder days in the summer let alone winter! They are using just as much electric or maybe even more electric than someone charging their EV. An EV can fully charge in six hours, the Alde heating is often left on 24 hours a day.

Justus2 replied on 03/01/2018 08:22

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:19 by

The Alde heating in nearly all caravans can run on 2 or even 3 kw. There are people that use it even on colder days in the summer let alone winter!

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:22

Yes, but heating in vans has been there for years, and is still there. Charging cars as well is an additional draw on the supply for each site.

SteveL replied on 03/01/2018 08:25

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:19 by

The Alde heating in nearly all caravans can run on 2 or even 3 kw. There are people that use it even on colder days in the summer let alone winter! They are using just as much electric as someone charging their EV.

Posted on 03/01/2018 08:25

If the Alde was used on a "colder" day in summer it would almost certainly only be on 1kw and the thermostat would mean it was only on very infrequently. A car charging over night is a slightly different matter in my opinion.

However, for the moment the CAMC agree with you. However, only for the moment, as in my opinion that outlook is not sustainable in the longer term.

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