Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

JVB66 replied on 26/12/2017 19:40

Posted on 26/12/2017 16:49 by ocsid

As low mileage users needing two differing capability vehicles and not generally using high traffic density roads and at peak high cost times, that sort of taxation method would be excellent.

I see it having high facilitating costs, more so for visitors but all doable.

Posted on 26/12/2017 19:40

That would be fine for "local" users who can charge at home, but how will the costs of charging when not on"home turf"be paid for at the destination

ocsid replied on 26/12/2017 20:07

Posted on 26/12/2017 19:40 by JVB66

That would be fine for "local" users who can charge at home, but how will the costs of charging when not on"home turf"be paid for at the destination

Posted on 26/12/2017 20:07

I was responding to the quoted contribution referring to a mileage based source of road taxation, as mooted for HGVs.

Which no doubt would be via GPS so could include time of day and road congestion terms as well as the type of vehicle; on the face of it an equitable system? The bigger users of the busier roads at the most congesting times, pay for that. With some "sealed" device fixed to the vehicle and charges directly to a credit card or bank account?

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Charging anywhere there is an EHU. By opting for the above there is no need for a vehicle fuel tax on electrical supplies, so if using at home or elsewhere it carries the 5% VAT or whatever electricity ends up being taxed for any use.

Charging away from base, then sign up as a subscriber to one or other of a whole partnered network of public access charging points. Much as the mobile phone companies operate, the model is already there. On past records, the powers to be could gift such network franchises to any and all foreign companies who want a slice of the UK and gives them a cut wink.

JVB66 replied on 26/12/2017 20:19

Posted on 26/12/2017 20:07 by ocsid

I was responding to the quoted contribution referring to a mileage based source of road taxation, as mooted for HGVs.

Which no doubt would be via GPS so could include time of day and road congestion terms as well as the type of vehicle; on the face of it an equitable system? The bigger users of the busier roads at the most congesting times, pay for that. With some "sealed" device fixed to the vehicle and charges directly to a credit card or bank account?

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Charging anywhere there is an EHU. By opting for the above there is no need for a vehicle fuel tax on electrical supplies, so if using at home or elsewhere it carries the 5% VAT or whatever electricity ends up being taxed for any use.

Charging away from base, then sign up as a subscriber to one or other of a whole partnered network of public access charging points. Much as the mobile phone companies operate, the model is already there. On past records, the powers to be could gift such network franchises to any and all foreign companies who want a slice of the UK and gives them a cut wink.

Posted on 26/12/2017 20:19

That could be an interesting scenario on camp sites,and the like,with different companies having to share EHUs for EV hookupswink

ocsid replied on 26/12/2017 20:38

Posted on 26/12/2017 20:19 by JVB66

That could be an interesting scenario on camp sites,and the like,with different companies having to share EHUs for EV hookupswink

Posted on 26/12/2017 20:38

Well, the energy now coming out of the EHUs can be from various companies, and your mobile can use other than your own network. So as said the model is there and realistically has to be or the whole would be just a nightmare.

The Club could easily get into bed with any franchised EV charging company, and if these are forced to be partnered then you being a subscriber to Wonder Power Ltd, and the Club going with Super Power Ltd would concern you not; their computers will bill as needed.

But then if there is no "vehicle fuel tax" on electricity itself and the Club have gone to metering EHUs, then for slow charging just plug into the van's side; there being no taxation implications on what it powers.

JVB66 replied on 26/12/2017 20:42

Posted on 26/12/2017 20:38 by ocsid

Well, the energy now coming out of the EHUs can be from various companies, and your mobile can use other than your own network. So as said the model is there and realistically has to be or the whole would be just a nightmare.

The Club could easily get into bed with any franchised EV charging company, and if these are forced to be partnered then you being a subscriber to Wonder Power Ltd, and the Club going with Super Power Ltd would concern you not; their computers will bill as needed.

But then if there is no "vehicle fuel tax" on electricity itself and the Club have gone to metering EHUs, then for slow charging just plug into the van's side; there being no taxation implications on what it powers.

Posted on 26/12/2017 20:42

 , But you are a customer of one network normally it would mean having how many "smart cards"depending on where you need a charge, and i would think by the time every  one  is "forced" to have an EV then charging via your own LV will be a no no if not sooner undecided

Navigateur replied on 26/12/2017 20:58

Posted on 26/12/2017 20:58

10 amp should be ample of holiday usage, a holiday is time to be out and about enjoying yourself, a time to sit and read, play games, talk, not to sit for hours watching TV, computer / iPad and any other gizmos therefore 10 amps is sufficient for the caravaner on holiday.

I must state here that 10 ampers is quite insufficient for holiday use. I don't spend hours watching the microwave or the espreso machine, but they need far more power than a television. As for sitting in the cold playing games, that's not a holiday, for me anyway.

As this thread is considering the non-use of fossil fuels then the cooking is on electricity, as is the fridge and heating. The hair dryer and electic rollers are a (sometimes twice) daily necessity, and for those of us who chose to live (or holiday) in the north part of Britain the very few hours of very low angle sun are not enough for the solar panel to maintain the battery to run the lights, radio. flush the toilet, etc.

But I'm so glad that others will volunteer to use the 10 amp pitches so that the 16 amp ones can be enjoyed by others.

When The Caravan Club is forced to install electric vehicle charging points to pitches I suggest that they increase the EHU capability to 32 amps to cope with the increased usage within the caravans of the future.

JVB66 replied on 26/12/2017 21:34

Posted on 26/12/2017 20:58 by Navigateur

10 amp should be ample of holiday usage, a holiday is time to be out and about enjoying yourself, a time to sit and read, play games, talk, not to sit for hours watching TV, computer / iPad and any other gizmos therefore 10 amps is sufficient for the caravaner on holiday.

I must state here that 10 ampers is quite insufficient for holiday use. I don't spend hours watching the microwave or the espreso machine, but they need far more power than a television. As for sitting in the cold playing games, that's not a holiday, for me anyway.

As this thread is considering the non-use of fossil fuels then the cooking is on electricity, as is the fridge and heating. The hair dryer and electic rollers are a (sometimes twice) daily necessity, and for those of us who chose to live (or holiday) in the north part of Britain the very few hours of very low angle sun are not enough for the solar panel to maintain the battery to run the lights, radio. flush the toilet, etc.

But I'm so glad that others will volunteer to use the 10 amp pitches so that the 16 amp ones can be enjoyed by others.

When The Caravan Club is forced to install electric vehicle charging points to pitches I suggest that they increase the EHU capability to 32 amps to cope with the increased usage within the caravans of the future.

Posted on 26/12/2017 21:34

32amp EHUs would i should think mean a complete upgrade of all the power supply to each site including the input from the national grid, so how is all that to be payed for ? surprised

ocsid replied on 26/12/2017 21:42

Posted on 26/12/2017 21:42

Quote: "When The Caravan Club is forced to install electric vehicle charging points to pitches I suggest that they increase the EHU capability to 32 amps to cope with the increased usage within the caravans of the future."

Now, this raises another issue, will they permit parallelling of EHU cables with adaptors? Or, have we to budget to buy yet another cable.

Then as 25 metres as one lump will be a challenge can we have authority then to join two 12.5 m lengths.

It all needs thinking about wink

JVB66 replied on 26/12/2017 21:51

Posted on 26/12/2017 21:42 by ocsid

Quote: "When The Caravan Club is forced to install electric vehicle charging points to pitches I suggest that they increase the EHU capability to 32 amps to cope with the increased usage within the caravans of the future."

Now, this raises another issue, will they permit parallelling of EHU cables with adaptors? Or, have we to budget to buy yet another cable.

Then as 25 metres as one lump will be a challenge can we have authority then to join two 12.5 m lengths.

It all needs thinking about wink

Posted on 26/12/2017 21:51

I would think if the time comes that everything is EVs then part of the high cost of upgrading the power supplies,would need a metered EHU on each pitch with a dedicated EV outlet included,that could also be  used via an adaptor for the awning heaterwinksurprised

Spriddler replied on 26/12/2017 22:33

Posted on 26/12/2017 22:33

Charging points will have to be placed in parking area, schools, hospitals, airports, not just 1 or 2 but thousands. Small towns and villages will have to have them installed so that people unable to charge them up at home can have charging points.

It's going to take some major changes of car management. In the centre and outskirts of Brighton (also in most large towns/cities I expect) there are thousands of mostly Victorian terraced houses and more recent blocks of flats in narrow roads which have double yellow lines which are encroaching further and further into the surrounding areas. (A day's parking at the city centre car park in North Road Brighton is not unusual in costing £28). Residents have to park a long way out of town and walk or take the bus for the last half mile or so home. Parking really is so bad that for at least the past 5 years my builder Bro-in-Law won't even consider quoting for work at addresses in much of Brighton.

 

 

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