Charging electric cars on Club sites.

I still do not see electricity supplies to an electric vehicle being free from fossil fuel while that electricity comes from coal and gas fired power stations.

+1, I can’t see that either unless the person charging the vehicle is producing their own energy using Solar & wind power only. If it comes from the national grid it will have a mix, in that mix will be fossil fuel derived energy. The rest is smoke & mirrors to ease consciences.

How green are green tariffs?

There is a lot of debate around whether buying electricity from a green tariff means that your electricity is 100% renewable. All renewable electricity generated is connected to the grid, along with all the non-renewable generation, and we all draw electricity from that same pool. The carbon content of mains electricity is calculated on this basis, so it is not possible for one user to claim they are using carbon free electricity based on their electricity supplier.

This(above) is taken from the ‘Energy saving Trust’ website.

Wind power is considerable, you can see it on here......

At this very moment (24th December 17:16 hrs GMT) wind is poviding 23.73% of the load - UK National load plus whatever is going overseas on the various connectors.  Not the same on a windless day when it can be virtually zero, and with nuclear and hydro already running at almost full output what makes up the difference?  Coal and gas of course! Solar is at zero after dark.

So - for the electric vehicles to be charged using fossil-free electricity they should be charged only on windy days.

Not forgetting Methane👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻😊

I can't see that there's any harm in charging an EV on a campsite pitch if it's within the 16 amp output that's allowed. The overall electricity consumption would not increase because other electric appliances would have to be turned off or run on gas in order to make sufficient power available whilst charging. If you're having to use gas then you'll be paying extra for the gas.

But gas is a fossil fuel!  And the premise is that electric vehicles reduce the usage of fossil fuel.  Now they are increasing it.

Quote: "The overall electricity consumption would not increase because other electric appliances would have to be turned off or run on gas in order to make sufficient power available whilst charging."

That argument is seriously flawed as for most of the year high power draw appliances will only be on for short periods, boiling a kettle, heating up 10 litres in the boiler, whilst charging an EV is a multi-hour long consumer.

Even mid winter with space heating, awnings aside, the system will not be pulling high power continuously as a thermostat will cut and in out periodically for users not trying to achieve 26 plus C with the windows, door, and Heki wide open. Come mid summer the heating will not be on full blast for long.

For low power storage EVs doing the suggested 40 miles of running about then drain is going to be a modest £1 or so per day, but come the technology to tow then even 40 miles is going to add upwards of £3. The issue might not be destabalising at the moment but come a wholesale adoption of EV vehicles, it will be a very different picture. You simply can't replace all the energy provided via diesel and petrol and think supplying that with electricity comes without impact.

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