Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

replied on 21/12/2017 09:15

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:23 by Metheven

A motorhome towing an EV has paid for its pitch inclusive of electric, therefore quite entitled to charge for leisure use. Similarly if a caravan and EV towcar paid for pitch plus EHU then also acceptable as its all inclusive.

Its no different to having EHU and a 2/3 kW heater running in the colder months and as EHU charges are the same most times summer or winter, it will just mean being careful what you have on at any one time.

Apparently there are two Club sites with dedicated charging bollards with a view to more, but there is a charge to use them and they are away from the pitches.

The Club will have to move with this trend but whether it will be acceptable, adequate or even safe to put the lead through a window on a pitch, as at present remains to be seen.

Posted on 21/12/2017 09:15

We have an outside electric socket on our caravan, so no need to have electric cables through the window!

replied on 21/12/2017 09:20

Posted on 19/12/2017 12:42 by eurortraveller

Offering free charging to electric cars is as daft as offering me free diesel. 

Posted on 21/12/2017 09:20

If there's no extra charge for running your Alde heating on electric at 2 or 3 kw, there should be no extra charge for charging your electric car because you are not using any more electric than the 16 amp permitted by the site. You would have to turn other electric appliances off to make enough available to charge up your EV.

JVB66 replied on 21/12/2017 09:22

Posted on 21/12/2017 07:16 by Cornersteady

I thought that heating and power on 240V will work equally well (though not recommended in some cases) without a battery in place?  My 240 sockets work 

Posted on 21/12/2017 09:22

You still need 12v supply via your LVs charger/power to enable most controls to work,and it is definatly (according to our dealers workshop,)a no no to run the 12v without a battery in line

brue replied on 21/12/2017 09:28

Posted on 21/12/2017 09:15 by

We have an outside electric socket on our caravan, so no need to have electric cables through the window!

Posted on 21/12/2017 09:28

If you eventually own an EV you will find the charge cables are relatively short so parking an EV to get a charge is worth considering.

brue replied on 21/12/2017 10:10

Posted on 21/12/2017 02:57 by Vulcan

That is ridiculous to equate the two, electricity is supplied to keep van batteries topped up in order to power the habitation equipment on site, not to fuel the towing vehicle for excursions etc. As I said, that is not the club's responsibility.

Posted on 21/12/2017 10:10

As far as I am aware we all pay for electricity in our site fees and as long as we don't use it excessively and cut out the supply we can use it to suit our needs. However there are some who do run every appliance known to man and the club always asks for users to be considerate. Charging an EV will cost pence and for those of us who are considerate in our use this is not an unreasonable demand. As an EV owner I would probably charge off site due to swifter charging etc. The club will hopefully review all possibilities if EVs become the norm.

Cornersteady replied on 21/12/2017 10:12

Posted on 21/12/2017 10:10 by brue

As far as I am aware we all pay for electricity in our site fees and as long as we don't use it excessively and cut out the supply we can use it to suit our needs. However there are some who do run every appliance known to man and the club always asks for users to be considerate. Charging an EV will cost pence and for those of us who are considerate in our use this is not an unreasonable demand. As an EV owner I would probably charge off site due to swifter charging etc. The club will hopefully review all possibilities if EVs become the norm.

Posted on 21/12/2017 10:12

agree with that as well

Kennine replied on 21/12/2017 11:17

Posted on 21/12/2017 11:17

The number of EV's in our area has increased at an enormous rate. Not just the Hybrid versions but proper EV's.  We have charging points at Railway stations and some Supermarkets which are usually continuously populated by EV's charging their batteries. 

If this trend continues, Camping organisations, not just the CMC, will have to get off their rumps and make a decision. Do we continue to allow all those EV's free electricity from the bollard  - or - Do we ban charging from the bollard on all our sites and put a notice on the office notice board as to where the location of the nearest charging points are. -or -  do we go to the huge expense of installing proper charging points on all sites on the network and obtain added value to the business income by charging the customer  for their use.

Depends how forward looking each of the organisations are.  Doing nothing will not be an option soon. 

cool

 

ocsid replied on 21/12/2017 11:40

Posted on 21/12/2017 11:40

Quoting: "do we go to the huge expense of installing proper charging points on all sites on the network and obtain added value to the business income by charging the customer for their use."

I certainly see a looming need for dedicated on site charging points though hopefully the clubs don't lumber their collective memberships with the huge expense.

Here like WiFi on sites and little doubt what is done for EV charging at most other outlets, a specilised provider is contracted, to provide the service? The club simply sublets the location and takes its commission, and user members can buy what they want.

 

replied on 21/12/2017 12:52

Posted on 21/12/2017 11:17 by Kennine

The number of EV's in our area has increased at an enormous rate. Not just the Hybrid versions but proper EV's.  We have charging points at Railway stations and some Supermarkets which are usually continuously populated by EV's charging their batteries. 

If this trend continues, Camping organisations, not just the CMC, will have to get off their rumps and make a decision. Do we continue to allow all those EV's free electricity from the bollard  - or - Do we ban charging from the bollard on all our sites and put a notice on the office notice board as to where the location of the nearest charging points are. -or -  do we go to the huge expense of installing proper charging points on all sites on the network and obtain added value to the business income by charging the customer  for their use.

Depends how forward looking each of the organisations are.  Doing nothing will not be an option soon. 

cool

 

Posted on 21/12/2017 12:52

CC has made a decision for the present.

Fozzie replied on 21/12/2017 14:17

Posted on 21/12/2017 14:17

I have been thinking about this and bear with me on a couple of issues here.Certainly people with EV vehicles and electricians with more knowledge than me could assist.

Say I purchase and EV I bring it home and plug into a dedicated Pod Point  installed on a spur from the house consumer unit.This is a fixed installation.Dedicated to the job of charging the vehicle.

But now the Club is saying,you can plug your caravan into a 16a site bollard with the hook up lead and then charge the EV with an another extension lead from the caravan.I would have thought this would be governed by PAT (portable applicatance testing)testing because a EV now actually becoming a portable appliance.

If the EV is plugged straight into the site bollard (fixed installation) and say disconnect the caravan from the hook up then that is satisfactory within all earthing regulations.

My electrical theory is getting greyer by the years,but a caravan socket in an outside box is not a to me a dedicated charging point.I would also guess it will only be 1.5 squared mill.

Perhaps Brue could inform me is there a selector within an electrical vehicle to control different  charging rates I.e. overnight charging,20 minute charging etc.or is charging an EV controlled by the supply that feeds it.

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