Charging electric cars on Club sites.

cariadon replied on 19/12/2017 12:02

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Posted on 19/12/2017 12:02

With the government wanting all cars to be electric in years to come and some MHers have them as runarounds how do you think the club should address the issue, This is NOT a thread against electric cars.

Do you think the club should change the bollard to accommodate the second connection, have a designated charging area and should the charging bollard be metered so you pay as you use, or the cost added to pitch fee, or any other suggestion.

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Vulcan replied on 21/12/2017 02:57

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Posted on 20/12/2017 11:02 by brue

The club already supply "fuel" to keep van batteries topped up, much the same will be the case for future EVs whether they are cars or motorhomes.

Posted on 21/12/2017 02:57

That is ridiculous to equate the two, electricity is supplied to keep van batteries topped up in order to power the habitation equipment on site, not to fuel the towing vehicle for excursions etc. As I said, that is not the club's responsibility.

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Cornersteady replied on 21/12/2017 07:16

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Posted on 21/12/2017 02:57 by Vulcan

That is ridiculous to equate the two, electricity is supplied to keep van batteries topped up in order to power the habitation equipment on site, not to fuel the towing vehicle for excursions etc. As I said, that is not the club's responsibility.

Posted on 21/12/2017 07:16

I thought that heating and power on 240V will work equally well (though not recommended in some cases) without a battery in place? My 240 sockets work

Cornersteady replied on 21/12/2017 07:27

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Posted on 21/12/2017 07:27

An interesting thread with opinions divided, but why? You 'pay' for your electricity and have 16A (3Kw) to use to enjoy your stay. Provided you keep to this it is up to you to allocate that power as you see fit. Either heating on 2 Kw, kettle, awning heater, hairdryer, microwave... or heating off or on 500W and the rest to charge your car, why are people saying you shouldn't do this? Will it have any effect on your stay? This 16A rate has been going for years so no adverse effects?

Is it the 'free' fuel that is upsetting some? I have to pay for my fuel so should you type of thing?

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peedee replied on 21/12/2017 07:41

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Posted on 21/12/2017 07:41

What was the purpose of installing an EV charging point at the Brighton site if the Club is happy to see pitch electricity being used for this purpose? Seems to be a waste of money! Has anyone used it? Is it free?

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Rocky 2 buckets replied on 21/12/2017 07:52

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Posted on 21/12/2017 07:27 by Cornersteady

An interesting thread with opinions divided, but why? You 'pay' for your electricity and have 16A (3Kw) to use to enjoy your stay. Provided you keep to this it is up to you to allocate that power as you see fit. Either heating on 2 Kw, kettle, awning heater, hairdryer, microwave... or heating off or on 500W and the rest to charge your car, why are people saying you shouldn't do this? Will it have any effect on your stay? This 16A rate has been going for years so no adverse effects?

Is it the 'free' fuel that is upsetting some? I have to pay for my fuel so should you type of thing?

Posted on 21/12/2017 07:52

Rules is rules as is oft quoted on this forum Mr C👍🏻. If the T&C’s allow it then it’s allowed. Some threads go on for 100’s of posts arguing over piffling points. . . .They change nothing😊. Charging of Electric Vehicles is allowed until the rules say otherwise.

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SteveL replied on 21/12/2017 07:54

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Posted on 21/12/2017 07:27 by Cornersteady

An interesting thread with opinions divided, but why? You 'pay' for your electricity and have 16A (3Kw) to use to enjoy your stay. Provided you keep to this it is up to you to allocate that power as you see fit. Either heating on 2 Kw, kettle, awning heater, hairdryer, microwave... or heating off or on 500W and the rest to charge your car, why are people saying you shouldn't do this? Will it have any effect on your stay? This 16A rate has been going for years so no adverse effects?

Is it the 'free' fuel that is upsetting some? I have to pay for my fuel so should you type of thing?

Posted on 21/12/2017 07:54

Will it have any effect on your stay.

The answer to this would certainly be NO in the short term, as there are so few EV's being charged. However, in the longer term the answer will almost certainly be YES, as with increased usage there will be cost implications. For many increased cost will certainly have an effect either in duration, or wether to stay in the first place.

Although the 16 amp rate has been going on for years, it is highly unlikely the CC include in it costs for everyone using 16 amps. Therefore, particularly in the warmer months there will be significantly increased usage.

I think this is all folk are reacting to. Same as the WiFi, I don't expect someone else to pick up the tab for my browsing, when others are paying to use their phones or a MiFi. Why should anyone expect others to buy there vehicles fuel.

However, as I said currently not a problem and probably unlikely to be for quite a few years. We have been being promised longer life batteries for ages and we are still in the dark ages as regards range.

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Posted on 21/12/2017 07:41 by peedee

What was the purpose of installing an EV charging point at the Brighton site if the Club is happy to see pitch electricity being used for this purpose? Seems to be a waste of money! Has anyone used it? Is it free?

peedee

Posted on 21/12/2017 08:05

Probably thinking ahead. If you want to charge a toad and still use all electric facilities in motorhome you would be able to. Is it free? No idea but no doubt there will be a charge levied at some stage.

Oneputt replied on 21/12/2017 08:10

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Posted on 21/12/2017 08:10

Fossil fuels and electricity are taxed in different ways so if we all change to leccy you can bet future governments will change the tax regime to make up the revenue loss. Presumably that means the club would have to significantly hike electric prices

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Cornersteady replied on 21/12/2017 08:39

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Posted on 21/12/2017 07:54 by SteveL

Will it have any effect on your stay.

The answer to this would certainly be NO in the short term, as there are so few EV's being charged. However, in the longer term the answer will almost certainly be YES, as with increased usage there will be cost implications. For many increased cost will certainly have an effect either in duration, or wether to stay in the first place.

Although the 16 amp rate has been going on for years, it is highly unlikely the CC include in it costs for everyone using 16 amps. Therefore, particularly in the warmer months there will be significantly increased usage.

I think this is all folk are reacting to. Same as the WiFi, I don't expect someone else to pick up the tab for my browsing, when others are paying to use their phones or a MiFi. Why should anyone expect others to buy there vehicles fuel.

However, as I said currently not a problem and probably unlikely to be for quite a few years. We have been being promised longer life batteries for ages and we are still in the dark ages as regards range.

Posted on 21/12/2017 08:39

agree with you as well Steve. I have said that if the club does decide to install fast chargers they should charge, either on a bollard on in the car park.

I was merely pointing out that there seems to be 'anti charge' theme as things stand now which 'allows' use of other electrical usage, awning heaters in summer evenings for example but not if you plan to use that electricity to charge your car?

brue replied on 21/12/2017 09:13

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Posted on 21/12/2017 08:10 by Oneputt

Fossil fuels and electricity are taxed in different ways so if we all change to leccy you can bet future governments will change the tax regime to make up the revenue loss. Presumably that means the club would have to significantly hike electric prices

Posted on 21/12/2017 09:13

I think the main push is to get away from fossil fuels to renewables, maybe the club will start to look at boosting energy sources on sites. I think Poolsbrook has some "green" credentials, I don't know about other sites. The national grid has had some days this year when energy came more from renewables rather than fossil fuels, perhaps this is the way forward? I suspect energy sources will gradually change? Early days at present.

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