Are we being unreasonable??

richardandros replied on 20/11/2023 16:10

Posted on 20/11/2023 16:10

Dependent upon the reaction I get, I may consider complaining to the Club so this isn't just a whinge on CT which will achieve nothing, I know.  As I have posted elsewhere, we are currently on the Bridlington site and had booked a serviced pitch.  We were there last year at the same time and had a really nice time - despite the weather!!

For those that don't know the site - it's in two halves - the 'original' bit with 83 pitches and the 'new' bit with 65. The new bit is usually closed during the quieter winter months - as it is this year.

We knew that work was due to be carried out during our stay due to having received notification in "before you travel" but weren't that bothered about a bit of noise and disruption - especially as daylight hours are relatively short at the moment.  However, when we arrived, we were told that the work was to take place on the serviced pitches in the open (old) part of the site and therefore we were being moved to the 'closed' part of the site.

The photographs show what we had to look at!

Whilst I accept that in the past I have been critical of some club sites being crowded with everyone packed in like sardines - but this is the other extremeundecided

I also appreciate that some might say that it doesn't matter - it's just somewhere to sleep - but since we are both now less mobile than we once were, we do stay on site perhaps more than some and it's nice to be able to have a chat and socialise with other members. Not a lot of chance of that here!

Two things stand out - one is that since the work was clearly planned in advance and it was known to affect serviced pitches - why couldn't we have been told beforehand exactly what the situation was going to be.  We probably wouldn't have gone!

Secondly - and I'm genuinely not bothered about the money - an apology when we arrived and a small gesture (free night for example) would have gone some way towards maintaining good customer relations.  As Ros says, if we had booked a hotel room with a sea view and been told that those rooms were being redecorated and offered one with a view of the car park wall, we may well have walked out.

It's just left a bit of a sour taste in our mouths.  I think we - and the others affected agree with me - have all been treated appallingly - but what do you think? Is it just ussmile

 

 

 

mickysf replied on 21/11/2023 15:23

Posted on 21/11/2023 12:39 by richardandros

Read it again JK! I said that the motorhomers were told that - and that was in direct contradiction of what we understood via ‘before you travel’. Thus, the ‘story’ isn’t consistent.

As for ‘freebies’ - that wasn’t what I was looking for, necessarily. The money is neither here nor there - it’s the ‘gesture’ that’s important- in my view. How that could have been achieved is down to the ingenuity of either the wardens or the club. Left as a happy Womble, I would have happily continued to spend hundreds of pounds with the club - now, I shall be a bit more discerning. Bit short sighted on the part of the club, might I suggest?

Yes, I did discuss it with one of the Wardens - that was when he suggested we could move to a non SP if we wanted - just as I was putting the finishing touches to the awning!

Posted on 21/11/2023 15:23

Did you establish with that warden if any of the facilities on the new side were open? You knew that some disruption was to be expected prior to arrival why not discuss the specific implications of these for you on arrival. The reason I asked if any of the serviced pitches on the old side were occupied was to establish if it was a first come situation and once those pitches were full the others else where would then be available to you, is that what happened? To be honest r&r much of the account made up the thread seems to rely heavily on third party info. and supposition, neither of which are particularly strong arguments in a complaint. I do understand folks preferences are different but arriving on a favourite site and ‘bagging’ one’s favourite pitch every time is not a given anywhere on C&MC sites.

Tinwheeler replied on 21/11/2023 16:20

Posted on 21/11/2023 15:14 by richardandros

WN - we have often stayed on CLs /CS's when we have been the only ones there - indeed. more than likely we will be off to one near Thornton Le Dale in January when I know we will be the only ones there, daft enough to be out at that time of the yearsmile

As you say - it's about communication - and managing expectations. We're having a nice break but it has made me a bit more cautious about future club bookings and perhaps if nothing else, has reinforced the mantra of 'assume nothing'!

Posted on 21/11/2023 16:20

Exactly, R&R. You made assumptions and, due to that, feel let down. An open mind rather than assuming and expecting is surely the way to go.

There you have it and to paraphrase CAMC - you asked, we told 😀

Cornersteady replied on 21/11/2023 16:38

Posted on 21/11/2023 16:38

I'm not sure what customer service and communication is/was needed?

What did you want - 'you've booked a SP but please be aware you may be anywhere on site?' 

Also the club cannot manage everyone expectations beyond what you have booked for. The club cannot possible know what everyone's expectations are beyond providing your pitch type. 

It could be argued that actually they went beyond what they could have done and simply said due to emergency work we can't give you a SP and cancelled your booking.

The warden did come out and talk to you and offered you an alternative, it's not their fault you're quick at putting up your awning?

I don't now why you think others providers will be any better?

KjellNN replied on 21/11/2023 16:40

Posted on 21/11/2023 16:40

If the new part of  the site is otherwise closed in winter, then there would be only 4 bookable serviced pitches , those on the old part, so 4 units being sent to the new part indicates to me that all 4 pitches were closed at the time.

The serviced pitches in the old part are  very close to the facilities, while in the new area they are a long way away, so if any of the 4 needed or wanted to use the facilities, it would have been a long walk, not good in winter, or rain, or if one has poor mobility.  

  IMO a poor show by the Club.   If this was the planned work Richard was told about, then those booked on the serviced pitches should have been informed that they would have to use the new area......giving people the chance to cancel.     If it was different, emergency work, the situation should have been made clear preferably before  arrival where possible, but at least on arrival, allowing a different pitch to be chosen.

mickysf replied on 21/11/2023 17:04

Posted on 21/11/2023 16:40 by KjellNN

If the new part of  the site is otherwise closed in winter, then there would be only 4 bookable serviced pitches , those on the old part, so 4 units being sent to the new part indicates to me that all 4 pitches were closed at the time.

The serviced pitches in the old part are  very close to the facilities, while in the new area they are a long way away, so if any of the 4 needed or wanted to use the facilities, it would have been a long walk, not good in winter, or rain, or if one has poor mobility.  

  IMO a poor show by the Club.   If this was the planned work Richard was told about, then those booked on the serviced pitches should have been informed that they would have to use the new area......giving people the chance to cancel.     If it was different, emergency work, the situation should have been made clear preferably before  arrival where possible, but at least on arrival, allowing a different pitch to be chosen.

Posted on 21/11/2023 17:04

I know that the old site can be brought out of ‘mothballs’ during the winter months, particularly  over Christmas and New Year so opening it up for an emergency which was on one small area of the old site, and involving just a few single figure pitches then that too would be justified. I seem to recall it also has happened before with flooding there when some pitches on the new site had to be used instead. Yes, the communication of such happenings need to done as timely as possible but that, particularly in emergency situations, I’d bet is not always as easy as some would expect. 

Gillway replied on 22/11/2023 10:37

Posted on 22/11/2023 10:37

My view is that people pay quite a lot to stay on club sites for many reasons and none of them are for the benefit of the club or the site staff. To stay on a pitch you have paid for and are not feeling the benefits of would probably make you feel aggrieved.

I would have expected the staff to explain the situation whilst booking the person in and giving them the option at that time to drive round, assess where they’d prefer and the booking could be amended (or not) when they’d pitched up and returned to the office. Quite a simplistic “old school “ solution that we have experienced many times.

mickysf replied on 22/11/2023 10:49

Posted on 22/11/2023 10:37 by Gillway

My view is that people pay quite a lot to stay on club sites for many reasons and none of them are for the benefit of the club or the site staff. To stay on a pitch you have paid for and are not feeling the benefits of would probably make you feel aggrieved.

I would have expected the staff to explain the situation whilst booking the person in and giving them the option at that time to drive round, assess where they’d prefer and the booking could be amended (or not) when they’d pitched up and returned to the office. Quite a simplistic “old school “ solution that we have experienced many times.

Posted on 22/11/2023 10:49

Agreed, but I’d just add we don’t book or pay for a specific pitch, we book and pay for a pitch type which is what r&r got. I too have experienced that ‘old school’ solution across the years when circumstances have required a little flexibility and it seemed to work for both staff and members on those occasions. 

eurortraveller replied on 22/11/2023 11:21

Posted on 22/11/2023 11:21

I have far more sympathy for Richardandros  than some who have commented. I looked at his photo and said to myself there is no way I would  pay money to stay on such a cheerless bleak spot on a winter day. If the warden couldn’t offer me anything better than that I would have left and gone home.

young thomas replied on 22/11/2023 14:02

Posted on 22/11/2023 11:21 by eurortraveller

I have far more sympathy for Richardandros  than some who have commented. I looked at his photo and said to myself there is no way I would  pay money to stay on such a cheerless bleak spot on a winter day. If the warden couldn’t offer me anything better than that I would have left and gone home.

Posted on 22/11/2023 14:02

I'm with ET and several others in that I (we) seem to have a different view of decent Customer Service than some.

There are, as ET suggests, many unsympathetic responses to R&R's post and, along with little hope of upfront communication from CAMC, one thing R will have learnt is that CT is not the place to stick your neck out with a thread that shows (even mild) criticism of the Club.

 

'Bleak' doesn't do justice to the scene above...🤷🏻‍♂️

Tinwheeler replied on 22/11/2023 14:40

Posted on 22/11/2023 14:02 by young thomas

I'm with ET and several others in that I (we) seem to have a different view of decent Customer Service than some.

There are, as ET suggests, many unsympathetic responses to R&R's post and, along with little hope of upfront communication from CAMC, one thing R will have learnt is that CT is not the place to stick your neck out with a thread that shows (even mild) criticism of the Club.

 

'Bleak' doesn't do justice to the scene above...🤷🏻‍♂️

Posted on 22/11/2023 14:40

I don't think replies to R&R are unsympathetic but show how one person's assumptions, expectations and perceptions differ from others. What Richard sees as a cause for disgruntlement, others see as a positive.

In a similar way, what you see as "bleak", I see as spacious. Horses for courses, as ever. 🤷🏻‍♂️

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