Increase size of CLs?

I speak from experience

...And me

 

Fysherman, it was I that posted the above comment. It was definitely a CC Centre Rally, as I stated. However we have seen, in the past, numerous THS which have only had a few vans on them. 

Then of course I fully accept your observations.

...Because until the legislation is changed they are not allowed to give permision for any more 

And that ain't going to happen any time soon

Graham

I have noted the comments of those that followed my post earlier, and whilst I understand and have sympathy with many of them they are failing to recognise that there is a problem.

Too many CL's are closing, and unless something is done to address the problem we may have a much reduced stock soon.

I am sure that Captain Smith in his brand new liner, thought that a few Icebergs were not going to cause him a problem either.  Just keep going as it is, everything is fine!

TF

TF, I have read every post of this thread up to here, and at last I am reading some good common sense. Fisherman also makes a lot of sense. Can I take this oppertunity as a CL owner to say I believe the 5van rule is antiquated, and places a cap on natural expansion and growth. For me, I,d like to ask all those who believe in the 5van rule if they also believe in a, a ban on overtime, b,wage capping, c,bonuses, d,annual pay rises and so on?EV

Hi Sara and Robin, You will soon outgrow the CL system. Good luck with your business development. 

The reason that there is a limit to 5 vans is to cap growth and expansion. It's nothing to do with the CC

Five vans are unlikely to have much impact in planning terms and that is why it is set at five. The same thing occurs in mainstream planning - you can put up sheds and build small extensions without planning permission but anything larger will need planning permission 

If growth or expansion is desirable then there is a system in place. Apply for planning permission and get the necessary approvals and licences. 

Unrestricted expansion of development in rural areas is not what authorities want  

My personal view is that sites wishing to take more than five vans would be far better served outside the CL network where they can advertise freely and accept who they want on site 

EV, if you wanted more pitches, why did you not get planning permission via the LA route? We have stayed on some nice private sites that have done this, not large, 20 pitches, split between caravans and tents.

I have noted the comments of those that followed my post earlier, and whilst I understand and have sympathy with many of them they are failing to recognise that there is a problem.

Too many CL's are closing, and unless something is done to address the problem we may have a much reduced stock soon.

I am sure that Captain Smith in his brand new liner, thought that a few Icebergs were not going to cause him a problem either.  Just keep going as it is, everything is fine!

TF

TF, I have read every post of this thread up to here, and at last I am reading some good common sense. Fisherman also makes a lot of sense. Can I take this oppertunity as a CL owner to say I believe the 5van rule is antiquated, and places a cap on natural expansion and growth. For me, I,d like to ask all those who believe in the 5van rule if they also believe in a, a ban on overtime, b,wage capping, c,bonuses, d,annual pay rises and so on?EV

The suggestion that the 5 van rule is antiquated holds no water at all.

As posted nearly 2 months ago (16 June), there is no need to change the limit as the existing legislation copes with any change of circumstances which a site owner requires.

Any site owner who wishes to cater for more than 5 vans has the option of obtaining a full site licence and, so long as the relevant conditions can be met, should have no problem in doing so.

Increasing the limit would only provide a way for owners who can not meet the relevant conditions to circumvent planning rules and there is no more justification for that as regards caravan sites than there is for any other planning matter.

Notwithstanding the above, there is no chance of the 1960 Act being revised in the near future, anyway, because governments (of all persuasions) have seen no merit in doing so. That is especialy the case when there are far more pressing matters demanding parliamentary time.

Graham

I agree with Graham and others. The 5van exemption exists to fill a need by a simple process without massive regulatory input. It helps site owners set up a small site in a cost effective way with minimum hassle but site owners who want a larger site are quite at liberty to go down the commercial route and apply for the necessary permission. It will obviously incur greater cost and regulation than the relatively simple exemption process but, as they say, there's no gain without pain. 

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