Noseweight advice

DaveAldi replied on 22/10/2017 12:38

Posted on 22/10/2017 12:38

I tow a 2013 Coachman Pastiche 560/4 with a MTPLM of 1630kgs. I've recently changed my towcar from a Hyundai Santa Fe (Kerbweight 1977kgs and max noseweight 100kgs) to a Skoda Kodiaq Edition 4x4 (Kerbweight 1798kgs and max noseweight 80kgs). Considering the Kodiaq is the current towcar of the year I have been very disappointed with the towing stability of my outfit and despite careful loading and checking of tyre pressures I've had a few episodes of snaking (between 50 and 60 mph in the absence of strong winds), including one event where the car's towing stability assist activated the ABS to bring it under control. The caravan is fitted with ATC and an Al-Ko stabiliser hitch.


I purchased a noseweight gauge and found that the noseweight of my Coachman when totally emptied for winter (apart from two standard gas bottles in the front locker) was over 100kgs.


Please can anyone offer advice, firstly on whether I'm expecting too much of my towcar at a 90% match (bearing in mind I have 30 years towing experience) and secondly whether it's normal to have to remove gas bottles and add "ballast" behind the axle of an empty caravan to reduce the noseweight to an acceptable level. If I remove the gas bottles from the front locker, where is the safest place to carry them?


Thanks in advance to anyone with useful advice.

 

JVB66 replied on 31/10/2017 10:04

Posted on 30/10/2017 21:20 by penguinpete

Hi guys hope you can advise me, my other half and myself have decided to buy 2 ebikes and want to put a bike rack on the A frame. This will put my nose weight over by about 70kg but still with in the mtplm, if i was to put my awning further back and get nose weight back to 100kg would that affect the handling of the van. my van is a Compass Rallye 574 being towed with a RRS 3.6.

thank you embarassed

Posted on 31/10/2017 10:04

Considering the max load on the alko coupling head is 100kg I would not want to exceed it, preferably to keep below it, as we all should know in the event of an accident most insurance companies will try to wriggle out of any claim

commeyras replied on 31/10/2017 10:07

Posted on 31/10/2017 10:07

Penguinpete.  You must not exceed the max noseweight allowed (seems to be 100kgs in your case).  You are in danger of inducing pitching as you should put the heaviest stuff in the caravan as close to the axle as possible.  Don't think that an awning (weight say 40kgs) placed as far back as possible would be able to compensate for the extra tow bar load.

penguinpete replied on 31/10/2017 20:25

Posted on 31/10/2017 20:25

Thanks guys, what a headache all i want to take is 2 ebikes with us when we go away, my other half wants to put a bike in the van frown NO CHANCE. any suggestions will help my hair grow back LOL. 

Hakinbush replied on 01/11/2017 15:03

Posted on 01/11/2017 15:03

Nose weight issues, when you tow with a 75 k limit your always going to wish you had a land rover, well last year I swopped the old Senator in for a Swift Challenger 580 at 1650 mp what ever, I find it a bit to and thro with loading and found that the old Jag "s" type manages quite well with around 13 stone [bathroom scales] or around eighty k but the only passenger I have on the back seat is a little pooch, so thinking that nose wieght limits are set with four people in the car eighty k is fine for me, still had a few twitch's passing trucks but apart from loony white van men passing at 80 mph it tows fine, mind you all I have in the front locker is a 10 k see thru gaslite cylinder and the waste thingy...

Boff replied on 01/11/2017 19:52

Posted on 01/11/2017 19:52

It seems to me that the OP doesn’t actually know what nose weight he is towing with.  Could be much higher than the empty weight he quotes. Secondly I have no idea what the real world difference between a nose weight of 80kg and 100kg is when it comes to stability. I suspect  all those that have posted I wouldn’t tow with less than 100kg don’t know either. 

Puddingsgalore replied on 02/11/2017 19:17

Posted on 02/11/2017 19:17

We have a Bailey Unicorn Valencia, we have tried the car & caravan match from this site and find it confusing and frustrating for a novice.  We have put in large 2L cars in the search and they all came back as not a match e.g. Insignia. It is unfortunate that we have to Change our suitable car and feel under pressure to find a legal towing car. How do I calculate and where do we find the information.  Ps car dealers don't seem to have a clue either!!

 

Lutz replied on 02/11/2017 21:33

Posted on 02/11/2017 19:17 by Puddingsgalore

We have a Bailey Unicorn Valencia, we have tried the car & caravan match from this site and find it confusing and frustrating for a novice.  We have put in large 2L cars in the search and they all came back as not a match e.g. Insignia. It is unfortunate that we have to Change our suitable car and feel under pressure to find a legal towing car. How do I calculate and where do we find the information.  Ps car dealers don't seem to have a clue either!!

 

Posted on 02/11/2017 21:33

No car matching site is going to give you a result that is going to be 100% unconditionally reliable. Only by using actual plated figures on the respective vehicles is that going to be the case.

You say that you are looking for a legal towing car. Matching sites won't do that anyway. They may say a particular match is good or bad, but they don't normally say whether it is legal or illegal. Even a bad match can still be legal.

If you have any doubt, quote the plated figures of both car and caravan here and I am sure someone will help you sort it out.

Noseweight limits are not normally an issue which affect legality anyway.

weedkiller replied on 02/11/2017 22:47

Posted on 02/11/2017 22:47

Nose weight is but one factor which contributes to the stability of an outfit.   Information which the club could easily supply at the time of a tow car test or T.C.O.Y.  i.e.  The Tow ball height prior to hitching , the height when hitched up. The nose weight of the un ballasted van

 These have an effect as of course does loading. Other design factors both of the car and van also have an effect e.g.  Rear overhang on the car.

    It would also help when choosing a tow car to know the distance from the tow ball to the rear of the car.

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