Noseweight advice

DaveAldi replied on 22/10/2017 12:38

Posted on 22/10/2017 12:38

I tow a 2013 Coachman Pastiche 560/4 with a MTPLM of 1630kgs. I've recently changed my towcar from a Hyundai Santa Fe (Kerbweight 1977kgs and max noseweight 100kgs) to a Skoda Kodiaq Edition 4x4 (Kerbweight 1798kgs and max noseweight 80kgs). Considering the Kodiaq is the current towcar of the year I have been very disappointed with the towing stability of my outfit and despite careful loading and checking of tyre pressures I've had a few episodes of snaking (between 50 and 60 mph in the absence of strong winds), including one event where the car's towing stability assist activated the ABS to bring it under control. The caravan is fitted with ATC and an Al-Ko stabiliser hitch.


I purchased a noseweight gauge and found that the noseweight of my Coachman when totally emptied for winter (apart from two standard gas bottles in the front locker) was over 100kgs.


Please can anyone offer advice, firstly on whether I'm expecting too much of my towcar at a 90% match (bearing in mind I have 30 years towing experience) and secondly whether it's normal to have to remove gas bottles and add "ballast" behind the axle of an empty caravan to reduce the noseweight to an acceptable level. If I remove the gas bottles from the front locker, where is the safest place to carry them?


Thanks in advance to anyone with useful advice.

 

replied on 22/10/2017 18:35

Posted on 22/10/2017 18:35

As said before MM. I would be happy to tow up to 1350kg mptlm with towball weight of 75kg. but not a 1600+kg van

ocsid replied on 22/10/2017 18:50

Posted on 22/10/2017 18:50

Are you using as high a pressure as is allowed on the towcar's rear tyres?

I ask because getting particularly the rear of the car as stiff as possible to sideways deflections is a powerful characteristic in towing stability. Inflating the tyres to higher pressures will increase that important stiffness.

Whilst it might not be the issue it is something so easy to try and will help to some extent.

kentman replied on 22/10/2017 22:23

Posted on 22/10/2017 22:23

I tow a Coachman VIP, replated to 1700kg, with a Landover Discovery Sport and previous towed a Bailey Unicorn, which was lighter, with the same car. I have found a nose weight of 85-90 kg necessary for stability with both caravans.

Lutz replied on 22/10/2017 22:35

Posted on 22/10/2017 22:35

I am surprised at the problems you are having. I tow an 1800kg single axle and the towcar's noseweight limit is 80kg, but don't have a stability issue.

ocsid replied on 23/10/2017 06:49

Posted on 22/10/2017 22:35 by Lutz

I am surprised at the problems you are having. I tow an 1800kg single axle and the towcar's noseweight limit is 80kg, but don't have a stability issue.

Posted on 23/10/2017 06:49

But probably that is of a continental design with a long draw bar dimension together with a long "A" frame before the van's bodywork, both stabilising features? 

DaveAldi replied on 24/10/2017 21:49

Posted on 24/10/2017 21:49

Thanks for the advice and comments. I have used maximum pressure in the tow car's rear tyres but it looks like the only really safe option is to reconsider my choice of caravan or towcar. I really like the Kodiaq in all other respects so will probably try to trade my Coachman for a lighter van. 

tigerfish replied on 25/10/2017 08:58

Posted on 25/10/2017 08:58

I too have a heavy Coachman, but its fine behind my heavy Coachman. I suspect my nose weight is heavy but have never really checked, with my car its not an issue.

But  your van like mine is a heavier model Coachman, and from 2015 they made lighter vans.  I wish I had waited because I like the brand!

TF

EmilysDad replied on 25/10/2017 09:30

Posted on 25/10/2017 08:58 by tigerfish

I too have a heavy Coachman, but its fine behind my heavy Coachman. I suspect my nose weight is heavy but have never really checked, with my car its not an issue.

But  your van like mine is a heavier model Coachman, and from 2015 they made lighter vans.  I wish I had waited because I like the brand!

TF

Posted on 25/10/2017 09:30

I find it best to put my heavy Coachman behind my heavy tow car  ðŸ˜‰

EmilysDad replied on 25/10/2017 11:27

Posted on 25/10/2017 11:00 by lornalou1

as they say. " sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"

Posted on 25/10/2017 11:27

I was pulling Tiger's leg ..... I know he will have taken it as such too tongue-out

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