2030 - No new ICE cars to be sold

NutsyH replied on 19/11/2020 10:56

Posted on 19/11/2020 10:56

What is the Club's position on this announcement?

It sounds the death knell for towing anything like a decent size caravan unless reasonably priced electric cars capable of towing over 200 miles without recharge suddenly appear, and the recharging infrastructure expands rapidly. Given the incompetence of most politicians that is unlikely to happen.

Or do we think this is just another of Bojo's announcements that will quietly be forgotten when it becomes clear that there is no chance of this happening by 2030?

Perhaps the Club could enlighten us on whether it is engaging with the Government, as it is abundantly clear that no thought has been given to this issue by the Politicos.

replied on 20/11/2020 12:44

Posted on 20/11/2020 11:45 by brue

But the EU is adopting the same route and finally we have a USA President elect who has committed to these issues.

 

Posted on 20/11/2020 12:44

We have a USA president elect who has committed to the issues (in principal)  but not in a position to act.

As of the present I believe that only one state (California) has said that ice vehicles sales will be phased out in that state

SeasideBill replied on 20/11/2020 13:10

Posted on 20/11/2020 10:17 by

As you say Steve modern cars and almost all consumer goods are not designed to be repaired beyond a certain point, indeed most domestic  stuff is cheaper to replace than repair. It does not happen in countries like Cuba, if a tv , washing machine or vacuum cleaner breaks it gets repaired  .

Posted on 20/11/2020 13:10

Cuba is an interesting example. A country with one of the best healthcare systems in the world is ‘first world’ in my reckoning. They have by necessity become extremely resourceful which is more sustainable than upgrading one year and chucking it in landfill the next. Maybe a strand of green policy we could embrace a bit more?

 

replied on 20/11/2020 13:38

Posted on 20/11/2020 12:44 by

We have a USA president elect who has committed to the issues (in principal)  but not in a position to act.

As of the present I believe that only one state (California) has said that ice vehicles sales will be phased out in that state

Posted on 20/11/2020 13:38

Whatever California does will make little difference unless the majority of the 49 other states make provision.

Isn't the main vehicle manufacturer in California Tesla laughing

SeasideBill replied on 20/11/2020 14:25

Posted on 20/11/2020 14:25

I’ll be interested to see how the millions of motorists who rely on inadequate on-street parking will cope charging their electric vehicles? Currently there is no joined up thinking on this. Exeter, for example, have an impasse between Government and Council. The former have made money available for installing street charging points, but not taken up by the latter because of the future burden of maintenance for which no provision is made. There are some seemingly minor issues which will be a headache to resolve. Exeter example again.... my daughter has a hybrid car and wants to run a cable from her house across the pavement to charge her car parked on the road. She purchased a heavy duty reflective mat to cover the cable and traffic cones to warn pedestrians.  She then asked the Council to approve that as not constituting a trip hazard, obviously not wishing for an ambulance chaser to take advantage of the situation. The Council were not prepared to offer any advice whatsoever. It’s a problem every off-street parker will face unless charging points are installed every few meters on roadside street furniture, on every street. Just one of a zillion issues to be resolved. 

JohnM20 replied on 20/11/2020 15:49

Posted on 20/11/2020 15:49

Making electric cars is the easy bit. Getting the range acceptable is the next. Then comes the more difficult bit of getting the price affordable for the majority of the population. The hard / impossible bits, and there are probably thousands of these bits, is getting all the necessary infrastructure sorted out within the next 10 years. I guess that the government is saying no sales of new ICE cars after 2030 because they know full well that it will be many, many years after that that the country is even getting vaguely close to being ready to go all electric. By this time totally new fuel technology will have come along, probably hydrogen based. It's all world beating pie in the sky really.

RowenaBCAMC replied on 20/11/2020 16:20

Posted on 20/11/2020 16:20

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RowenaBCAMC replied on 20/11/2020 16:21

Posted on 20/11/2020 16:21


With regards to the Club's thoughts on these plans, while supportive of practical measures to improve the environment and address climate change, the Club is keen to see that the full consequences of this decision are recognised and appropriately addressed, particularly in terms of the leisure vehicle sector. The Club is well engaged with government and industry on these matters, in order to highlight the priorities and needs of our sector, notably the provision of cars with adequate towing capability, the addressing of the challenges regarding the motorhome sector, and the improvement of the rural electric vehicle charging infrastructure. Where opportunities to press industry or Government on this topics arise, we certainly do so, while also ensuring that Club members are informed of technology developments through regular advice communications and tests of hybrid and electric vehicles. The Club’s latest major site development at Cayton Village also incorporates dedicated electric vehicle charging points on some pitches and in the communal parking area, acting as a testbed for what may become a standard feature of site facilities in years to come.

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