2030 - No new ICE cars to be sold

NutsyH replied on 19/11/2020 10:56

NutsyH

Posted on 19/11/2020 10:56

What is the Club's position on this announcement?

It sounds the death knell for towing anything like a decent size caravan unless reasonably priced electric cars capable of towing over 200 miles without recharge suddenly appear, and the recharging infrastructure expands rapidly. Given the incompetence of most politicians that is unlikely to happen.

Or do we think this is just another of Bojo's announcements that will quietly be forgotten when it becomes clear that there is no chance of this happening by 2030?

Perhaps the Club could enlighten us on whether it is engaging with the Government, as it is abundantly clear that no thought has been given to this issue by the Politicos.

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EmilysDad replied on 25/11/2020 11:54

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EmilysDad

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Posted on 25/11/2020 11:41 by Compo

I am no engineer, but would it be possible to use the axle on the caravan to generate power to help charge the batteries whilst on the move. thereby extending the distance the tow vehicle could travel without needing a recharge.?

Posted on 25/11/2020 11:54

I dare say you're right, but again, there'd be additional weight of the generator however it was incorporated.

LLM replied on 25/11/2020 11:59

LLM

Motorhomer

Posted on 25/11/2020 11:36 by peedee

In 2018, UK law was changed so that the weight limit for Category B driving licence holders driving alternatively-fuelled vehicles could be increased from 3.5 tonnes to 4.25 tonnes

peedee

Posted on 25/11/2020 11:59

Has that actually been introduced, as the the DVLA licence categories don't reflect it or even mention it?

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Metheven replied on 25/11/2020 12:05

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Posted on 25/11/2020 11:36 by peedee

In 2018, UK law was changed so that the weight limit for Category B driving licence holders driving alternatively-fuelled vehicles could be increased from 3.5 tonnes to 4.25 tonnes

peedee

Posted on 25/11/2020 12:05

Might be a bit limiting though.

The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) (Amendment) Regulations 2018 (the 2018
Regulations) made changes to the law to allow Category B licence holders to drive an alternatively fuelled vehicle that weighs between 3.5 and 4.25 tonnes, provided it is not driven outside of Great Britain, used for the transportation of goods, is not towing a trailer and the driver has completed a minimum of 5 hours training.

LLM replied on 25/11/2020 12:10

LLM

Motorhomer

Posted on 25/11/2020 12:10

That is correct but as with F1 cars braking effort can be used to produce regenerative power. Not sure how well it would work on a caravan though. Probably quite difficult to transfer the power to the car. Heavy cables? High cost? Extra weight? Nightmare?

LLM replied on 25/11/2020 12:14

LLM

Motorhomer

Posted on 25/11/2020 12:05 by Metheven

Might be a bit limiting though.

The Motor Vehicles (Driving Licences) (Amendment) Regulations 2018 (the 2018
Regulations) made changes to the law to allow Category B licence holders to drive an alternatively fuelled vehicle that weighs between 3.5 and 4.25 tonnes, provided it is not driven outside of Great Britain, used for the transportation of goods, is not towing a trailer and the driver has completed a minimum of 5 hours training.

Posted on 25/11/2020 12:14

In 2018, UK law was changed so that the weight limit for Category B driving licence holders driving alternatively-fuelled vehicles could be increased from 3.5 tonnes to 4.25 tonnes.

could be. As yet not introduced.

Tinwheeler replied on 25/11/2020 12:34

Tinwheeler

Campervanner

Posted on 25/11/2020 12:10 by LLM

That is correct but as with F1 cars braking effort can be used to produce regenerative power. Not sure how well it would work on a caravan though. Probably quite difficult to transfer the power to the car. Heavy cables? High cost? Extra weight? Nightmare?

Posted on 25/11/2020 12:34

My thoughts too. Adding extra weight to the caravan to regenerate power would, therefore, make the measure self defeating. The heavier caravan would use more of the car's battery power to tow it.

hitchglitch replied on 25/11/2020 13:31

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Posted on 25/11/2020 11:41 by Compo

I am no engineer, but would it be possible to use the axle on the caravan to generate power to help charge the batteries whilst on the move. thereby extending the distance the tow vehicle could travel without needing a recharge.?

Posted on 25/11/2020 13:31

No. That violates the Law of Thermodynamics. Like a perpetual motion machine you are trying to get something for nothing.

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hitchglitch replied on 25/11/2020 13:33

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Posted on 25/11/2020 12:10 by LLM

That is correct but as with F1 cars braking effort can be used to produce regenerative power. Not sure how well it would work on a caravan though. Probably quite difficult to transfer the power to the car. Heavy cables? High cost? Extra weight? Nightmare?

Posted on 25/11/2020 13:33

All electric vehicles have regenerative braking. If you are towing a caravan and decelerate, the additional mass creates additional regeneration. No need for any extra equipment.

LLM replied on 25/11/2020 13:45

LLM

Motorhomer

Posted on 25/11/2020 13:45

Not being into electric vehicles I didn't know that they generally include regenerative braking; it makes a lot of sense though. Every day is a learning day. Thanks .

Airborne replied on 25/11/2020 13:59

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Posted on 25/11/2020 13:59

Generating power from an axle being turned by being pulled by an electric powered vehicle is the equivalent to lifting yourself up by your bootlaces - not a goer under any circumstances I'm afraid !

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