Would It Work ? – Open for sensible debate.

JohnM20 replied on 18/07/2017 16:50

Posted on 18/07/2017 16:50

With so many people complaining about the frenzied booking when the system opens in early December I thought I would try to suggest a solution for those not able to book so early due to work or other restrictions. Whilst I don’t fall foul of the system so much now, I have done in the past when works holiday dates could not be booked until well into the new year and especially when trying to include a weekend. 

Would it work if every site allowed only 50% of their pitches to be booked at any time from the December booking date with the remaining 50% not being bookable until no more than 2 months before the planned visit date?  Most people, I think, should be able to work around this for planned main holidays. This should accommodate those that must fully book their year in advance and those that cannot.

 I’m sure, (he says, tongue firmly in cheek), that the IT department could tweek the online booking program to accommodate this.

 Whether it is a workable solution I don’t know, it’s just a germ of an idea to solve what is a problem for many members but remains fair to all. There may be an obvious reason why it wouldn’t work that is staring me in the face but I haven’t seen it. I’m sure someone will point it out if there is one.

 Contrary to what some are against and reject out of hand, I think deposits would be a good idea. I cannot understand why some people are so against them unless they are seriously worried about losing them. The site fees have to be paid at some time so why not spread the cost?  There are many things in life that require a deposit, caravans and motorhomes being a good example.

 With the current system there must be some members who book very early but know that they may well change their mind closer to the date, although I doubt that any would admit to this. I personally know one couple who regularly cancel bookings, not necessarily at the last minute but nonetheless may have deprived someone else from being able to book and they have to consequently look for an alternative site. Non-refundable deposits would reduce this sort of behaviour I believe.

 I guess I will receive some flak but it would be nice to have a sensible debate.

moulesy replied on 25/07/2017 09:40

Posted on 25/07/2017 08:38 by huskydog

I wonder what the percentage of CC members is ,who have never tried a non CC site , go on ,variety is the spice of life cool (not that I am telling people what to do )wink

Posted on 25/07/2017 09:40

I would guess it's a very, very small percentage of the membership, HD; even those who now choose to use club sites exclusively probably do so because they've tried alternatives and been disappointed! smile

Bakers2 replied on 25/07/2017 09:49

Posted on 25/07/2017 09:31 by GodivaNige

Out of interest, are you a member of both clubs and do you use commercial sites, CL's and CS's?

In the last year, how many nights have been spent on CMC club sites out of your total and as this thread started about booking systems, which alternative do you prefer, if any, to the CMC system?

Only asking this as a comparison to my habits this year, in that a tiny proportion of nights I've booked have been on CMC club sites, mainly because there has been a night or two fully booked and unavailable during the periods I'm looking to reserve and I can't be bothered to keep checking to see if they become free nearer the time, or, I want to book further in advance than the Club will allow.

Posted on 25/07/2017 09:49

Yes members of both clubs using CL and CS along with commercial sites. Deposits don't worry me happy to pay, vaguely safer feel that we do have a pitch reservation (?). But have used commercial who don't require deposits and not had a problem! We can't do extended tours in this country or over there at present so always book rather than turn up. On the deposit front it's nice to arrive and find the bulk of the cost is paid for already, especially if you booked a while ago 😉.

Number of nights not to hand at present less than 30 last year 😢😭 (but 2 extended trips to NZ 😉) and 34 or thereabouts so far this year. Probably least on CAMC sites and same this year.

We are booked on a rally next month and so far only for those nights but hope to tag a bit on either end. Rally with a different organisation to the 2 clubs.

I am generally a planner in life and like things tidy, thus I'd like to have a booking system that allows me to book at least 12 months in advance if necessary, so for definite dates say meeting with friends, celebrations or events more than happy to pay at least a deposit if not in full to ensure its confirmed.

I find lack of deposits or cost in full before arrival amazing in some ways. No other trip I take allows this 😉. We book flights to visit our daughter in nz up to 11 months, the maximum, and have to pay in full at time of booking, car hire, airport hotels etc expect at least part payment. That said those are the club rules which we agree to abide by. Whether it's good business sense - who knows ???

Never take part in frenzy day and don't intend too. Life's too short 😂

eurortraveller replied on 25/07/2017 09:53

Posted on 25/07/2017 08:38 by huskydog

I wonder what the percentage of CC members is ,who have never tried a non CC site , go on ,variety is the spice of life cool (not that I am telling people what to do )wink

Posted on 25/07/2017 09:53

The other way round for me, Husky. I last went to a Club site in September 2012 - Chapel Lane at Wythall. Just so quiet and boring, but my daughter's boy friend thought he saw movement in the caravan opposite and reckoned there might be someone alive in there. Perhaps we should have checked?  But we left, and haven't been to a Club site since. 

GodivaNige replied on 25/07/2017 10:01

Posted on 25/07/2017 10:01

Interesting.

I'm the same, I enter sporting events and after my entry is confirmed, I want to secure my accommodation. If the CMC allowed forward booking further in advance than they currently do, I'm positive I'd use the club sites more. As with you, deposits don't bother me, happy to pay them to secure the pitches.

Yes, the Club has its way of doing things and it works better for some, not so good for others and I accept their way but it does restrict my use of Club sites, so I look elsewhere. 

I'm not entirely sure why the Club don't allow bookings further in advance prior to frenzy day, does anyone know the reason?

Would it be conceivable to be able to book up to two years in advance on frenzy day? So this December, a member can book anything in 2018 and 2019, and come December 2018 a member could book for 2019 and 2020 etc etc. What effect would this have on members booking habits?

JVB66 replied on 25/07/2017 10:42

Posted on 25/07/2017 10:01 by GodivaNige

Interesting.

I'm the same, I enter sporting events and after my entry is confirmed, I want to secure my accommodation. If the CMC allowed forward booking further in advance than they currently do, I'm positive I'd use the club sites more. As with you, deposits don't bother me, happy to pay them to secure the pitches.

Yes, the Club has its way of doing things and it works better for some, not so good for others and I accept their way but it does restrict my use of Club sites, so I look elsewhere. 

I'm not entirely sure why the Club don't allow bookings further in advance prior to frenzy day, does anyone know the reason?

Would it be conceivable to be able to book up to two years in advance on frenzy day? So this December, a member can book anything in 2018 and 2019, and come December 2018 a member could book for 2019 and 2020 etc etc. What effect would this have on members booking habits?

Posted on 25/07/2017 10:42

I dought that for the miniscule ammount of people who want to do bookings so far in advance it would be worth the mods to the systems, there are already numerous post saying that the way the system is now is to far in advance  for them to get pitches as they cannot book that far because of work roters

replied on 25/07/2017 10:46

Posted on 25/07/2017 09:40 by moulesy

I would guess it's a very, very small percentage of the membership, HD; even those who now choose to use club sites exclusively probably do so because they've tried alternatives and been disappointed! smile

Posted on 25/07/2017 10:46

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peedee replied on 25/07/2017 11:06

Posted on 25/07/2017 11:06

I tend to agree with JVB, I can not really see any advantage to the Club unless deposits were required. The only reason for even contemplating booking so far ahead would be for a very special event that I did not want to miss under any circumstances.

I also agree with Moulesy, I suspect very few have not tried other sites. My use of Club sites has been in decline, This year it looks like being the lowest use ever. It probably has more to do with the style of touring I enjoy with the Continent offering and meeting requirements much more than the  UK. . In the last two years 40 percent of nights away have been spent across the Channel

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GodivaNige replied on 25/07/2017 11:08

Posted on 25/07/2017 10:42 by JVB66

I dought that for the miniscule ammount of people who want to do bookings so far in advance it would be worth the mods to the systems, there are already numerous post saying that the way the system is now is to far in advance  for them to get pitches as they cannot book that far because of work roters

Posted on 25/07/2017 11:08

OK. Nothing wrong with your opinion and as the OP asked for a sensible debate, so I'll be rational :-)

I've booked two long weekends in 2018 and 5 a five night break, the long weekends are in March and the 5 nighter in April. 8 months away.

The C&CC have secured approx £300 of my money because I can't book for next year with the CMC. If I wait until frenzy day, there's no guarantee I'd get the bookings and by then, the C&CC might not have availability at the sites close to where I want to be. One of the weekends is Easter.

 

I like Club sites, nothing against them at all, it's just for me, the inability to secure forward dates forces me to find alternatives and yes, I'm probably in a tiny minority and the current system suits most members fine. Having the ability to book alternative sites either commercial or with the other club overcomes the problem so really, I haven't got a problem. However I'd happily spend more with the CMC if there was a little bit more flexibility, not much, just a little bit :-);-)

replied on 25/07/2017 11:39

Posted on 25/07/2017 10:01 by GodivaNige

Interesting.

I'm the same, I enter sporting events and after my entry is confirmed, I want to secure my accommodation. If the CMC allowed forward booking further in advance than they currently do, I'm positive I'd use the club sites more. As with you, deposits don't bother me, happy to pay them to secure the pitches.

Yes, the Club has its way of doing things and it works better for some, not so good for others and I accept their way but it does restrict my use of Club sites, so I look elsewhere. 

I'm not entirely sure why the Club don't allow bookings further in advance prior to frenzy day, does anyone know the reason?

Would it be conceivable to be able to book up to two years in advance on frenzy day? So this December, a member can book anything in 2018 and 2019, and come December 2018 a member could book for 2019 and 2020 etc etc. What effect would this have on members booking habits?

Posted on 25/07/2017 11:39

What effect would this have on members booking habits?

I find it hard enough deciding on 3 touring routes in December for the forthcoming year - probably 24 sites in total and probably 20 CC sites of those. 

I use primarily CC sites for ease of selection and lack of mither in booking.

replied on 25/07/2017 11:47

Posted on 25/07/2017 11:47

There is much talk of 'Frenzy Day'. For me there is no frenzy. I simply sit down for an hour with a cup of coffee or three and book 20 club sites probably and during the next week book commercials that I might need. Job done. I do consider however if I want a site with a limited number of pitches (such as Cadeside where I think there are 17 pitches and it is a convenient site for meeting friends in the area) that I book that first simply in case there is something on locally for those dates that I don't know about. 

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