New Waste Arrangements

FreshAir4Us replied on 07/08/2021 20:58

Posted on 07/08/2021 20:58

It seems that new waste arrangements are in place at Pembrey Country Park and are being introduced at Gowerton and other club sites. The reason given by wardens is health & safety as there have been increasing waste volumes and unacceptable waste eg syringes and medical waste. The new arrangement is for zero disposal at the usual service points and a single point at the site entrance with large disposal high bins. Whilst understanding the real concerns regarding wardens handling unsafe waste there are a number of initial first thoughts which make me wonder whether this has been thought through properly. 

Some members have limited mobility and cannot regularly walk with waste as far as the site entrance. For those with cars maybe this could be done by driving to the entrance but the extra traffic on site will not be welcome and some do not have cars. The height of the bins is approx  chest height. How will someone in a wheelchair manage? This seems to reduce accessibility for disabled members. As regular disposal of waste will be more difficult and users don’t want to keep full bin bags in their vans there will be a temptation to leave full bags of waste outside attracting vermin and scattering of waste. I would guess this will be more of a problem when there is a visiting fish& chip/ pizza van and it is a rainy evening!  Carrying glass bottles all the way across site will potentially lead to more glass breakage too.  Maybe a sensible compromise would be to have larger waste bins at the usual disposal points to be collected by waste collectors. Almost certainly  the glass recycle bins at Pembrey could be deposited around the site rather than at the entrance and lower height access bins could be considered for those needing them. What do others think? 

JVB66 replied on 12/08/2021 18:33

Posted on 11/08/2021 11:21 by MikeyA

One of the main problems in labelling anywhere is not every item is mentioned and there is not a standardisation throughout the country. Consequently no one is sure if items can be recycled and they are likely to think that" if in doubt" it is better to place the item in the non recycling bin.

For example: where do you place kitchen foil and pale green plastic food trays?

 

Posted on 12/08/2021 18:33

Most of the packaging we have, is normally, stated on what is recyclable or not, some contractors that service club sites sort all the refuse at their depot so all bins take all things

eurortraveller replied on 12/08/2021 19:25

Posted on 11/08/2021 11:21 by MikeyA

One of the main problems in labelling anywhere is not every item is mentioned and there is not a standardisation throughout the country. Consequently no one is sure if items can be recycled and they are likely to think that" if in doubt" it is better to place the item in the non recycling bin.

For example: where do you place kitchen foil and pale green plastic food trays?

 

Posted on 12/08/2021 19:25

Here in Cornwall we want more local independence, not less. There is no enthusiasm here for central government in London to decide how and what and why  we should recycle.  Some of our County councillors have their faults but I am happy to leave them to apply their collective wisdom to sorting out our refuse collection - without Whitehall having any involvement to try to standardise us. Few of us here want to be standardised.

EmilysDad replied on 12/08/2021 20:14

Posted on 12/08/2021 18:16 by MikeyA

The bigger question is why can't all Councils agree on  what colour of bin is for which type of rubbish. Our green waste goes in our green bin ( which makes sense to me) but it changes throughout the country. 

Posted on 12/08/2021 20:14

we put paper waste in our green wheelie bin .... garden waste & food waste goes in our brown bin  

DavidKlyne replied on 12/08/2021 20:52

Posted on 12/08/2021 19:25 by eurortraveller

Here in Cornwall we want more local independence, not less. There is no enthusiasm here for central government in London to decide how and what and why  we should recycle.  Some of our County councillors have their faults but I am happy to leave them to apply their collective wisdom to sorting out our refuse collection - without Whitehall having any involvement to try to standardise us. Few of us here want to be standardised.

Posted on 12/08/2021 20:52

Regardless, of course, whether it makes sense to have a common approach which in the long term could save money, even for Cornwall which could be spent on things closer to your heart? It might also reverse the very poor recycling rates in Cornwall

 

Hja replied on 12/08/2021 20:59

Posted on 12/08/2021 20:59

The variation between councils is not just about what can be recycled but what facilities the individual council has. Hence yoghurt pots can be recycled but not all councils have the facility.

The triangle on containers does not mean that the item can be recycled, it is to do with the composition of the container.

Unfortunately if there is too much non recyclable material in the recycling load, then the load gets rejected by the waste facility, and this costs the council, and therefore us, money.  Some councils have very good web paged explaining what can & cannot go in their various bins, for others their pages are rubbish.

Here in Lincolnshire, even though there are county waste facilities, each district council collects slightly different things, in different coloured bins.  They are trying to get to a common pattern across the county, but not common colours!  We are all gradually getting an extra bin for dry paper & card (not tetra packs) which will be separately collected from general recycling.  Apparently the paper mill (in Norfolk) accepts more paper & card if it is dry, "clean" and not contaminated by other items.

Tinwheeler replied on 12/08/2021 21:27

Posted on 12/08/2021 19:25 by eurortraveller

Here in Cornwall we want more local independence, not less. There is no enthusiasm here for central government in London to decide how and what and why  we should recycle.  Some of our County councillors have their faults but I am happy to leave them to apply their collective wisdom to sorting out our refuse collection - without Whitehall having any involvement to try to standardise us. Few of us here want to be standardised.

Posted on 12/08/2021 21:27

Without wishing to drag the thread into the political mire, I have to point out that Euro's view on local independence is not widely held when it comes to the Cornish political party who want independence.

Cornwall is a unitary authority in terms of local Govt and, as such, receives the usual grants from central Govt from which we all benefit.

I take no sides but strive to make things clear.

DavidKlyne replied on 13/08/2021 12:01

Posted on 13/08/2021 12:01

Had current and previous Governments taken the lead on recycling rather than leaving it to a myriad of local authorities I suspect we would all understand better how to recycle things. This is relevant to Club Sites as much as it is to where you live. I think it would lead to a common standard rather than the vast array of systems we have ended up with. Sometimes deciding things locally is the best way but sometimes not.

David

JVB66 replied on 13/08/2021 12:47

Posted on 13/08/2021 12:01 by DavidKlyne

Had current and previous Governments taken the lead on recycling rather than leaving it to a myriad of local authorities I suspect we would all understand better how to recycle things. This is relevant to Club Sites as much as it is to where you live. I think it would lead to a common standard rather than the vast array of systems we have ended up with. Sometimes deciding things locally is the best way but sometimes not.

David

Posted on 13/08/2021 12:47

I agree as when using any campsite, as conversations with others from different LA areas, it is very confusing, trying to work out what can and what  cannot be put in each bin at different LAs that sites are within  Ferry Meadows contractor wants all defuse and recycling put together I. any bin on site and it is all sorted at the depot the vehicles empty., now that does make it better   than on sites no matter how well the area is labelled with what can go in each of the bins ,site users still put anything in all the bins 

another what seems camp site specific? what is it with people that plastic bottles and cardboard boxes are not crushed or broken up before being put in the bins?yell  Do they  "fill" their bins at home the same?undecided

DEBSC replied on 13/08/2021 17:02

Posted on 13/08/2021 17:02

At our static van site all recycle items go in together, except glass, which has its own bins. We keep a small useful light bin which all our recycle items are put in and then carried over to the bin... open the lid and endless tied up unrecycleable plastic bags containing recycle material! Why people can’t just tip the contents in the bin and put the bags in the rubbish bin is beyond me.

ABM replied on 13/08/2021 22:32

Posted on 13/08/2021 22:32

Well, DEBSC, it appears that such logic is beyond them too  wink and on the strength of that little gem, I will go to bed,  g'night all  

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