New Waste Arrangements

FreshAir4Us replied on 07/08/2021 20:58

Posted on 07/08/2021 20:58

It seems that new waste arrangements are in place at Pembrey Country Park and are being introduced at Gowerton and other club sites. The reason given by wardens is health & safety as there have been increasing waste volumes and unacceptable waste eg syringes and medical waste. The new arrangement is for zero disposal at the usual service points and a single point at the site entrance with large disposal high bins. Whilst understanding the real concerns regarding wardens handling unsafe waste there are a number of initial first thoughts which make me wonder whether this has been thought through properly. 

Some members have limited mobility and cannot regularly walk with waste as far as the site entrance. For those with cars maybe this could be done by driving to the entrance but the extra traffic on site will not be welcome and some do not have cars. The height of the bins is approx  chest height. How will someone in a wheelchair manage? This seems to reduce accessibility for disabled members. As regular disposal of waste will be more difficult and users don’t want to keep full bin bags in their vans there will be a temptation to leave full bags of waste outside attracting vermin and scattering of waste. I would guess this will be more of a problem when there is a visiting fish& chip/ pizza van and it is a rainy evening!  Carrying glass bottles all the way across site will potentially lead to more glass breakage too.  Maybe a sensible compromise would be to have larger waste bins at the usual disposal points to be collected by waste collectors. Almost certainly  the glass recycle bins at Pembrey could be deposited around the site rather than at the entrance and lower height access bins could be considered for those needing them. What do others think? 

MikeyA replied on 11/08/2021 11:21

Posted on 11/08/2021 10:11 by JVB66

There is as much chance of some site users using composting areas as there is trying to get them to use the different bins in the service points, even if as most club site labelled as to what to put in themfrown

Sutton on sea site the local farmer collects all the grass cuttings for his livestock to eatcool

Posted on 11/08/2021 11:21

One of the main problems in labelling anywhere is not every item is mentioned and there is not a standardisation throughout the country. Consequently no one is sure if items can be recycled and they are likely to think that" if in doubt" it is better to place the item in the non recycling bin.

For example: where do you place kitchen foil and pale green plastic food trays?

 

Takethedogalong replied on 11/08/2021 11:42

Posted on 11/08/2021 11:42

Kitchen foil goes in with the tins surely? Plastic trays in with the plastic? I thought it was just the black plastic that caused issues.
You are right about standardisation around the country though, so many different systems around the country. The cottage we stayed at in the Borders, the area didn’t collect glass, the cottage owner collected it and took it to a recycling centre each week. Our home area has never collected food waste, and still doesn’t. There was no sorting at Ferry Meadows, unless the Wardens did it. Everything in the same bin. That didn’t feel right at all.

eurortraveller replied on 11/08/2021 11:57

Posted on 11/08/2021 11:57

Uk is not very progressive. Thirty years ago in Switzerland they sold us a small bag about a foot square for anything we couldn’t put in the nine different recycling bins. All labelled and colour coded in three languages. A lady scowled at me for putting a green wine bottle in the slot for brown wine bottles. 

MikeyA replied on 11/08/2021 11:57

Posted on 11/08/2021 11:42 by Takethedogalong

Kitchen foil goes in with the tins surely? Plastic trays in with the plastic? I thought it was just the black plastic that caused issues.
You are right about standardisation around the country though, so many different systems around the country. The cottage we stayed at in the Borders, the area didn’t collect glass, the cottage owner collected it and took it to a recycling centre each week. Our home area has never collected food waste, and still doesn’t. There was no sorting at Ferry Meadows, unless the Wardens did it. Everything in the same bin. That didn’t feel right at all.

Posted on 11/08/2021 11:57

At home we do add the foil to the tins but we have been on a site where it said not to.

We never recycle black plastic but what do you do about dark brown trays! - there is always that doubt. Maybe the problem is the little photos always show white plastic but never really show the ones you shouldn't recycle. 

We have recently been on a CS where everything was thrown in the same bin and I do wonder what proportion of normally recycled material isn't.

 

Takethedogalong replied on 11/08/2021 12:10

Posted on 11/08/2021 12:10

Just had a look Mikey, it’s only clean foil that should be recycled, not food contaminated, so you are right to be wary. 

ABM replied on 11/08/2021 17:05

Posted on 11/08/2021 11:21 by MikeyA

One of the main problems in labelling anywhere is not every item is mentioned and there is not a standardisation throughout the country. Consequently no one is sure if items can be recycled and they are likely to think that" if in doubt" it is better to place the item in the non recycling bin.

For example: where do you place kitchen foil and pale green plastic food trays?

 

Posted on 11/08/2021 17:05

I cannot give you Chapter and Verse on this one, Mikey, unless you should happen to live in Cheshire East's Domain  ~~ their website is very good at aiming ones junk to the correct place.  BUT one thing I do understand is that plastic food trays IF CLEAN & If carrying the little triangular mark can go in my grey recycle bin. Otherwise I just read the writing on the label ( surprised ) and comply with that !  Its like the plastic wrapping that many loaves come in --  recyclable but only at supermarket  bag for life points, not at kerbsides

redface replied on 11/08/2021 23:19

Posted on 11/08/2021 23:19

Why not chuck all plastic in the relevant bin leaving the waste depot to out-sort anything they do not want which can then go on to an incinerator that will generate electricity from it.

Or am I being too sensible?

EmilysDad replied on 12/08/2021 09:21

Posted on 11/08/2021 23:19 by redface

Why not chuck all plastic in the relevant bin leaving the waste depot to out-sort anything they do not want which can then go on to an incinerator that will generate electricity from it.

Or am I being too sensible?

Posted on 12/08/2021 09:21

what kind of plastic? Our area says to put plastic pop & milk bottles in our blue bin, but that doesn't/shouldn't include plastic yoghurt type pots.

There's too much reliance placed on us, the end user to sort it, they should be targeting the manufacture to use packaging that all areas can recycle. At present there's too  much variation in what different areas can or will recycle. We all need 'dirty MRFs' 😉

And NIMBYs don't want incinerators in their back yards ..... (EmilysMum used to work in waste management) 

cyberyacht replied on 12/08/2021 09:28

Posted on 12/08/2021 09:28

It would help if the plastics/packaging industry standardised their material so that "everything" could go in the plastic recycling bin.

MikeyA replied on 12/08/2021 18:16

Posted on 11/08/2021 17:05 by ABM

I cannot give you Chapter and Verse on this one, Mikey, unless you should happen to live in Cheshire East's Domain  ~~ their website is very good at aiming ones junk to the correct place.  BUT one thing I do understand is that plastic food trays IF CLEAN & If carrying the little triangular mark can go in my grey recycle bin. Otherwise I just read the writing on the label ( surprised ) and comply with that !  Its like the plastic wrapping that many loaves come in --  recyclable but only at supermarket  bag for life points, not at kerbsides

Posted on 12/08/2021 18:16

The bigger question is why can't all Councils agree on  what colour of bin is for which type of rubbish. Our green waste goes in our green bin ( which makes sense to me) but it changes throughout the country. 

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