Posted on 03/03/2019 19:21
Just come off a Rally on an all singing and dancing commercial site. They did a deal where the ehu was optional @£3 p/n. 28 vans 25 paid for ehu. We didn’t refilled the gas bottle after we got back and it cost me £4.51, the bottle had been used for 4 nights on a clubsite so ehu and 3 nights non-ehu so 7 nights in total.
No moral to this story just numbers.
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Posted on 06/03/2019 19:13 by WherenextBut your estimated cost was worked out on a "per bollard" basis not per electric connection so I was assuming you were talking a lot of bollards!
Posted on 06/03/2019 19:28 by young thomaswhat's not to like about gas, it's an efficient fuel...perhaps even you use it in your home, central heating boiler perhaps?
in a van, does gas heat the water any differently than the electric? (apart from doing it faster and more cheaply).....
or the heating, or the kettle?
are gas heated toes any different to electric heated ones?
is tea/coffee somehow different with water boiled in a gas kettle than an electric one?
no, of course has isn't free, but if bought from somewhere other than Calor (at club sites) it's a darn sight cheaper....between a quarter and a third of the Calor price.
similarly, is watching the BBC on TV different when using the vans 12v system than when on the mains?
Posted on 06/03/2019 19:28 by young thomaswhat's not to like about gas, it's an efficient fuel...perhaps even you use it in your home, central heating boiler perhaps?
in a van, does gas heat the water any differently than the electric? (apart from doing it faster and more cheaply).....
or the heating, or the kettle?
are gas heated toes any different to electric heated ones?
is tea/coffee somehow different with water boiled in a gas kettle than an electric one?
no, of course has isn't free, but if bought from somewhere other than Calor (at club sites) it's a darn sight cheaper....between a quarter and a third of the Calor price.
similarly, is watching the BBC on TV different when using the vans 12v system than when on the mains?
Posted on 06/03/2019 23:09
in a van, does gas heat the water any differently than the electric? (apart from doing it faster and more cheaply).....
or the heating, or the kettle?
BB you do know that heating 1 lire of water by 1 degree C uses the same energy whether from gas or electric? The speed of heating up has nothing to do the fuel used? But how quickly that energy is transferred, ie the appliance used and it wattage. Also gas heating and/or cooking is not as efficient in transferring energy, it loses heat to the surrounding area rather than whatever it is heating. Hold your finger near a gas kettle and you will feel the heat. That is just being wasted on you rather than heating your water. Electric heaters are in contact with the water however and transfer more of the energy, almost 100%. Same with space heating, ever notice the hot air coming from your van's flue?
Posted on 06/03/2019 20:07 by Navigateurin a van, does gas heat the water any differently than the electric? (apart from doing it faster and more cheaply).....
or the heating, or the kettle?
are gas heated toes any different to electric heated ones?
is tea/coffee somehow different with water boiled in a gas kettle than an electric one?
Probably not - but where is the gas equivalent of the electric blanket? And the gas espresso machine?
Posted on 06/03/2019 23:09 by Cornersteadyin a van, does gas heat the water any differently than the electric? (apart from doing it faster and more cheaply).....
or the heating, or the kettle?
BB you do know that heating 1 lire of water by 1 degree C uses the same energy whether from gas or electric? The speed of heating up has nothing to do the fuel used? But how quickly that energy is transferred, ie the appliance used and it wattage. Also gas heating and/or cooking is not as efficient in transferring energy, it loses heat to the surrounding area rather than whatever it is heating. Hold your finger near a gas kettle and you will feel the heat. That is just being wasted on you rather than heating your water. Electric heaters are in contact with the water however and transfer more of the energy, almost 100%. Same with space heating, ever notice the hot air coming from your van's flue?
Posted on 07/03/2019 07:46
ever noticed how much more quickly the van heats up using gas?
and with gas being far cheaper to source, what's not to like...
of course, if you've paid for it therefore you must use it, and your gas comes in small expensive Calor bottles, electric might suit you...
but perhaps, if you're not paying for a hookup and your gas is a fraction of the price of Calor, gas might suit you...
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Posted on 06/03/2019 21:47 by CornersteadyOk, but my price per pitch should have been about £150 not £20, so that is 200x100x150 = £ 2,500,000???
Posted on 07/03/2019 07:46 by young thomasever noticed how much more quickly the van heats up using gas?
and with gas being far cheaper to source, what's not to like...
of course, if you've paid for it therefore you must use it, and your gas comes in small expensive Calor bottles, electric might suit you...
but perhaps, if you're not paying for a hookup and your gas is a fraction of the price of Calor, gas might suit you...
Posted on 07/03/2019 08:01
It think it is indeed the price of bottled Calor that generates a completely different mindset as to using gas v. using EHU.....
As a rough guide I would say that a Calor 6kg propane is £23, the same amount of LPG propane into our tank would be around £8.50 in the UK at the moment, and if I happen to fill from the local BATA outlet that is actually from a Calor tank too. 
It does make you look at paying £3+ per night for EHU in a different light.
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Posted on 06/03/2019 21:47 by CornersteadyOk, but my price per pitch should have been about £150 not £20, so that is 200x100x150 = £ 2,500,000???
Posted on 07/03/2019 08:06
Let's at least get one thing straight, the Club hasn't got 200 sites. At the last count I did it was 155 the rest are affiliated or managed sites over which the Club has no power to change. I put the average site size as below 100, possibly 80 but both estimates are pure guesses. However you estimate it, I agree to fit all the Clubs pitches with meters would be expensive, £2M to £3M but put that in context, that probably only equates to buying one site like Bingham and the Club is sitting on something like £30M in cash reserves.
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Posted on 07/03/2019 08:09
We stick to the old calor! Can't say we go off ehu much in winter but have done it for short breaks and we use very little in the summer off ehu. When calor had to offer free replacements due to a possible problem we did quite well as we had several bottles to exchange, we've done a few years on virtually free gas!
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