Weights and the law

MLR6Norris replied on 08/01/2017 12:34

Posted on 08/01/2017 12:34

Our driving licenses only allow us to tow a combined weight of 3500kg. The fully laden weight of our caravan is 1400kg BUT we never fill it to tow, we only carry basic kitchen equipment, water roll, waste tank and a couple of camping chairs (no clothing, bedding or food/drink etc).

So in theory we have 2100kg for the gross weight of the car. 

I get to change my car this year so have been looking at options, but the best options seem to be coming in slightly over at 2180kg.

My question is, if for any reason, someone decided to check our total weight, would they purely look at the figures (2180+1400 = illegal), or would they actually weigh us? There would only be 2 of us plus the dog in the car, with our luggage etc, so i'm sure we'd never actually be over the 3500kg.

Any advice gratefully received! 

mickysf replied on 11/01/2017 08:56

Posted on 10/01/2017 21:59 by Lutz

I am trying to work out what you are trying to say. If the plated weights of car and caravan combined to not add up to more than 3500kg then you'd be alright on a Category B licence and if the actual weights don't exceed each plated weight, you'd be OK, too, and that has nothing to do with your licence, so why would property be confiscated or anyone be facing a ban?

Posted on 11/01/2017 08:56

The answer to this is in the final paragraph of the original post found at the top of each page of this thread.

The poster asked would  'they, for any reason, actually weigh us'! He also asks for any input!

All I was suggesting, licence categories aside, was that we do need to be mindful of that addition weight we add to what is stated on 'paper'. I was weighed, at the roadside. The officer in question was at pains to tell me that the actual weight was crucial. He also told me prior to weighing what the consequences were if the weight restrictions were exceeded. This ranged from temporary 'confiscation' of items in order to reduce weight, or even the impounding of my vehicle. He did check the plated weights of the vehicle, my ability to drive the category of vehicle and actual weight of the vehicle. This was happening to cars with caravans and motorhomes. Also, with penalty points at stake for infringements, to some this could incur a driving ban!

 

madhouse4 replied on 12/01/2017 23:24

Posted on 12/01/2017 23:24

Isn't one of the biggest worries people are considering driving a combination they haven't a licence for? What happens if you have a accident and your insurance don't pay out? If you want to drive bigger vehicles/combinations do it legally and take a test, don't put other road users at risk

MHG replied on 02/03/2017 10:19

Posted on 02/03/2017 10:19

Hi there, Im in the same boat as you - i have a 3500kg limit combined car & caravan. If your cars documented gross weight figure PLUS your caravans MTPLM figure exceed 3500kg when added together - then you are towing illegally - irrespective of what your car can actually tow. As mentioned above any checks will mostly likely be done against the manufacturers documented weights of car and caravan and then cross-referenced against your license entitlement.

dmiller555 replied on 02/03/2017 18:41

Posted on 02/03/2017 16:13 by KENNYG

 If you passed your test before January 1997 you can tow a combine weight of upto 8,250 Kg mam.

Posted on 02/03/2017 18:41

Unless you are over 70 and didn't take a medical.

Extugger replied on 03/03/2017 11:36

Posted on 03/03/2017 11:36

I found the Clubs' advice invaluable when choosing car/caravan. It's listed under Advice and Training and as others have said, will give you an idea of good matches etc. The outfit matching service is free.

Whatever car you choose to tow with, you may want to think about the Clubs' training courses also. My wife attended one and I'm now reaping the benefits!

Whatever you choose, my advice would be to stay well within the law, because if you do, you'll stay safe :)

richardandros replied on 03/03/2017 14:49

Posted on 02/03/2017 18:41 by dmiller555

Unless you are over 70 and didn't take a medical.

Posted on 03/03/2017 14:49

Surely that's incorrect.  If you took your test before Jan 97 and have a B+E entitlement, you retain that right after 70 regardless of a medical.  The medical only applies if you want to retain the C entitlement?

ocsid replied on 03/03/2017 16:05

Posted on 03/03/2017 14:49 by richardandros

Surely that's incorrect.  If you took your test before Jan 97 and have a B+E entitlement, you retain that right after 70 regardless of a medical.  The medical only applies if you want to retain the C entitlement?

Posted on 03/03/2017 16:05

No, you get a "new" licence than comes with B+E, so can drive a vehicle up to 3500 kgs towing what it can up to 3500 kgs, so then a limit of 7tonnes.

Prior to 70 you could drive up to 7.5 tonnes and tow a 750 trailer as well.

7500 + 750 = 8250 kgs

richardandros replied on 03/03/2017 16:14

Posted on 03/03/2017 16:05 by ocsid

No, you get a "new" licence than comes with B+E, so can drive a vehicle up to 3500 kgs towing what it can up to 3500 kgs, so then a limit of 7tonnes.

Prior to 70 you could drive up to 7.5 tonnes and tow a 750 trailer as well.

Posted on 03/03/2017 16:14

ocsid - I think we're getting at cross purposes - what you say corresponds with my understanding but isn't the same as what dmiller said - unless I'm being totally stupid!

crusader replied on 05/03/2017 10:28

Posted on 05/03/2017 10:28

If you have a B+E licence you may tow a trailer upto 3500kg. Your tow car will have a maximum towing limit take that away from the gross vehicle weight and that will give you the maximum weight of the trailer that you can tow, the train weight which is the legal bit is the combined permissible tow  weight for the car and the weight of the caravan = the train weight this should not be greater than the weights allowed.

The new hand book has this explained in the technical or towing section

 

 

 

 

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