Weights and the law

MLR6Norris replied on 08/01/2017 12:34

Posted on 08/01/2017 12:34

Our driving licenses only allow us to tow a combined weight of 3500kg. The fully laden weight of our caravan is 1400kg BUT we never fill it to tow, we only carry basic kitchen equipment, water roll, waste tank and a couple of camping chairs (no clothing, bedding or food/drink etc).

So in theory we have 2100kg for the gross weight of the car. 

I get to change my car this year so have been looking at options, but the best options seem to be coming in slightly over at 2180kg.

My question is, if for any reason, someone decided to check our total weight, would they purely look at the figures (2180+1400 = illegal), or would they actually weigh us? There would only be 2 of us plus the dog in the car, with our luggage etc, so i'm sure we'd never actually be over the 3500kg.

Any advice gratefully received! 

Wildwood replied on 08/01/2017 15:50

Posted on 08/01/2017 13:29 by MLR6Norris

Thanks for replies. 

It's not really the weight that's in question, we know that our combined allowed total is 3500kg. We just wondered how / who would check if we went over that limit.

On paper we would be over if we go for the bigger car, but in reality i'm quite sure that we wouldn't be.

 

Posted on 08/01/2017 15:50

Probably the only way to be sure of your total weight is to take the combination to a weighbridge and check it. The problem then is it is too late if you have bought the car. You could try to weigh the fully loaded caravan and see what you are towing before deciding what to buy but you rarely carry exactly the same things twice so make sure it is carrying the maximum amount.

If you go ahead I would always travel with the water tank empty as water is very heavy and could take you over the limit.

young thomas replied on 08/01/2017 16:21

Posted on 08/01/2017 16:21

if its the plated weights that are checked.....and im sure this is what would happen, it makes no difference as you are 'overweight' for your allowed license groups.

if they actually suspected you were physically overweight on either the car or caravan, then they would weight them...but thats a different 'offence'

if you dont have the license to drive more that 3500 combined plated weights, you shouldnt be considering doing this....

no different than me jumping into a HGV without passing the appropriate test....

KjellNN replied on 08/01/2017 19:10

Posted on 08/01/2017 19:10

BB is correct, they will go with the plated weights, so what you are proposing is a non-starter.

1400kg MTPLM is not  a particularly heavy van, you do not need a vehicle over 2 tonnes to tow it.

Look rather at the engine power.

Passing the B+E  test  will extend your choices.

EmilysDad replied on 08/01/2017 20:15

Posted on 08/01/2017 20:15

As above, a large saloon or estate would be more than heavy enough and you'd not have the worry of towing over what your licence allows

MLR6Norris replied on 08/01/2017 21:45

Posted on 08/01/2017 20:15 by EmilysDad

As above, a large saloon or estate would be more than heavy enough and you'd not have the worry of towing over what your licence allows

Posted on 08/01/2017 21:45

But then if we go under 2t gross weight we get a warning about the kerb weight / van ratio being high 

We should probably have researched weights of cars a bit more before buying the van. 

There are a couple of cars that work (Q3, X1) which is fine, I just decided to try and look for a hybrid option today but they all seem to be just a tiny bit too heavy.

EmilysDad replied on 08/01/2017 22:26

Posted on 08/01/2017 21:45 by MLR6Norris

But then if we go under 2t gross weight we get a warning about the kerb weight / van ratio being high 

We should probably have researched weights of cars a bit more before buying the van. 

There are a couple of cars that work (Q3, X1) which is fine, I just decided to try and look for a hybrid option today but they all seem to be just a tiny bit too heavy.

Posted on 08/01/2017 22:26

Your tow car can weigh as little as 1400kg ie the same as your caravan .... not recommend, but that's the stupid regs that allows it ... and as much as 2100kg ie the max 3500 gross weight for licence

KjellNN replied on 09/01/2017 00:01

Posted on 09/01/2017 00:01

Rather than the Aquaroll,Wastemaster and camping chairs, I would be putting in the van the stuff we use in the van........clothes, bedding and food.....and no doubt a few other things. 

To me this makes much more sense!

Load the van to what it can carry, save yourself the hassle of moving things around every time you arrive on a site.

As long as, as MM said, the towcar weighs at least as much as the van, you are legal.  If you want to stick to the 85% recommendation, then the kerbweight of the car needs to be around 1650kg minimum.

DSB replied on 09/01/2017 02:28

Posted on 09/01/2017 02:28

My experience is that caravans are always heavier than you think they might be.  My advice would be to take the fully laden van tO a weighbridge to check.  I wouldn't bother weighing each item you put in the van.

David 

Quasar524 replied on 09/01/2017 13:38

Posted on 08/01/2017 21:45 by MLR6Norris

But then if we go under 2t gross weight we get a warning about the kerb weight / van ratio being high 

We should probably have researched weights of cars a bit more before buying the van. 

There are a couple of cars that work (Q3, X1) which is fine, I just decided to try and look for a hybrid option today but they all seem to be just a tiny bit too heavy.

Posted on 09/01/2017 13:38

Your kerb weight / van ratio is way wrong.  The accepted guidance (recommendation) is that the caravan should be 85% of the vehicle kerb weight.  For your caravan at 1400kg to maintain that ratio you would need a tow car kerb weight of 1648kg.  I don't know how you got the 2100kg weight.

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