Nose weight question for newbie

LazyLizard replied on 20/08/2018 15:22

Posted on 20/08/2018 15:22

Hi,  We just lost our caravanning virginity with a lovely  weekend very close to where we picked up the van ( 2015 lunar clubman ) It’s now safely in store so I feel good after my first ever towing, hitching and set up.   Only a few minor incidents....(trying to move the van with the motor mover with the handbrake on and corner steadies down was the most memorable) anyhow on to my question. On leaving the site I tried to check the nose weight with my shiny new milenco calibrated gauge. We  had virtually nothing in the van apart from a full 6kg gas cylinder in the locker. When I checked the nose weight it read 115kg which is over the car and tow bars 100kg limit. As I had nothing in the van to reposition to balance the van I thought I may have been measuring it incorrectly or ( as I saw in some reviews ) the nose weight gauges are not always accurate.

I pressed on as not sure what to do and only had a few miles to go into store.  So my question is with a van almost empty with just the gas cylinder should it not be naturally balanced at a more reasonable nose weight?

maybe it was because I was worried about the nose weight I noticed a little bouncing of the car on occasion but I guess this is normal when towing (pulling with a fully loaded Hyundai Santa Fe ) so I reckon I was towing < 70% of the car weight.

Any help or guidance would be much appreciated.

Andrew

EmilysDad replied on 20/08/2018 15:32

Posted on 20/08/2018 15:32

(trying to move the van with the motor mover with the handbrake on and corner steadies down was the most memorable)

You can tell the mover is still engaged when you start to tow as it makes a LOUD racket ..... apparently innocent

Don't rush .... take your time .... it's a learning curve wink

cyberyacht replied on 20/08/2018 15:47

Posted on 20/08/2018 15:47

Some vans, including some of the Baileys particularly, start off with a very high nose weight. Yours may also well be one where you will have to stow everything behind the axle to get a sensible figure.

SteveL replied on 20/08/2018 15:57

Posted on 20/08/2018 15:57

Our Bailey has a noseweight of 80 / 90 loaded normally or empty. The gas cylinders are positioned close to the axle. So I can well imagine we would also have difficulties if they were at the front and have to offset it with weight towards the rear.

Cornersteady replied on 20/08/2018 16:06

Posted on 20/08/2018 16:06

yes done the motor mover thing, (tip don't leave the remote on the A frame)

I assume you drained down your water tank? Was the front locker empty apart from gas? for example was the aquaroll and wastemaster? in the front locker? 

JVB66 replied on 20/08/2018 18:12

Posted on 20/08/2018 16:06 by Cornersteady

yes done the motor mover thing, (tip don't leave the remote on the A frame)

I assume you drained down your water tank? Was the front locker empty apart from gas? for example was the aquaroll and wastemaster? in the front locker? 

Posted on 20/08/2018 18:12

Plus onesurprised

replied on 20/08/2018 18:16

Posted on 20/08/2018 18:16

Which model Clubman do you have? 

LazyLizard replied on 20/08/2018 18:51

Posted on 20/08/2018 18:51

Thanks for all comments so far, very helpful.  I have the 2015 clubman SB.    

In response to cornersteady, don’t think I have an onboard water tank? Toilet cassette and flush tank emptied and just a light pipes and the corner steady winder in the front locker.

cheers

Andrew

SteveL replied on 20/08/2018 19:06

Posted on 20/08/2018 18:51 by LazyLizard

Thanks for all comments so far, very helpful.  I have the 2015 clubman SB.    

In response to cornersteady, don’t think I have an onboard water tank? Toilet cassette and flush tank emptied and just a light pipes and the corner steady winder in the front locker.

cheers

Andrew

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:06

I think CS is referring to your hot water tank. Ours is located under the front seat, so forward of the axle. They hold between 8 and 10 litres of water, so 8 / 10kg. There is a small yellow flip tap close to the tank that requires putting in the vertical position. Then with the taps open the tank will drain out onto the pitch. If it's grass make sure you run all the hot off first. 

LazyLizard replied on 20/08/2018 19:14

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:14

I had no idea about a hot water tank! The chap who did the van handover did not mention it. I’ll check this out at the weekend as we are off to Ambelside for a long weekend. I mistakenly left the handbook in the van at the storage site so can’t check in there.  Thanks for the info on this.

commeyras replied on 20/08/2018 19:27

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:27

Been there done it; add  to list trying to drive off with mover still attached to wheels!  So to your nose weight.  I too have a Milenco weight gauge and they are really only a guide but very useful; you may wish to check the nose weight using bathroom scales - get a piece of wood (even a hammer) and put one end into ball connection of caravan and other on scales caravan  as level as possible.  If this reading is same as the Milenco one you can be reasonably sure it is right; if different just use split the difference!  When towing you should try to be as near the max as possible - 100kgs; I am assuming he car's max is 100kgs also.  When going on trips you will be able to adjust the nose weight by where put the stuff in the caravan but remember, heavy stuff over the axle and light stuff high heavy low - you WILL get the hang of it soon.  We put the awning in the car.

Suggest you prepare a check list to use before departure, there is one in the CMC Handbook and don't forget all skylights - yes we have missed that as well!!!sealed

Don't worry you will soon master the hobby and have loads (excuse the pun) of pleasurable holidays.  Finally, don't be afraid to ask for advice anywhere, even on a site.  One thing caravanners like doing is helping people - we were all novices once.

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