Nose weight question for newbie

LazyLizard replied on 20/08/2018 15:22

Posted on 20/08/2018 15:22

Hi,  We just lost our caravanning virginity with a lovely  weekend very close to where we picked up the van ( 2015 lunar clubman ) It’s now safely in store so I feel good after my first ever towing, hitching and set up.   Only a few minor incidents....(trying to move the van with the motor mover with the handbrake on and corner steadies down was the most memorable) anyhow on to my question. On leaving the site I tried to check the nose weight with my shiny new milenco calibrated gauge. We  had virtually nothing in the van apart from a full 6kg gas cylinder in the locker. When I checked the nose weight it read 115kg which is over the car and tow bars 100kg limit. As I had nothing in the van to reposition to balance the van I thought I may have been measuring it incorrectly or ( as I saw in some reviews ) the nose weight gauges are not always accurate.

I pressed on as not sure what to do and only had a few miles to go into store.  So my question is with a van almost empty with just the gas cylinder should it not be naturally balanced at a more reasonable nose weight?

maybe it was because I was worried about the nose weight I noticed a little bouncing of the car on occasion but I guess this is normal when towing (pulling with a fully loaded Hyundai Santa Fe ) so I reckon I was towing < 70% of the car weight.

Any help or guidance would be much appreciated.

Andrew

Lutz replied on 21/08/2018 10:58

Posted on 21/08/2018 10:06 by LazyLizard

Just another thought.....do caravan manufacturers not publish what the empty nose weight is for all their models.....   this would be a really great place to start so you could get a better feel for what you are adding. but i guess it will come with experience anyhow.....

Im guessing once you are satisfied with your nose weight you don't need to measure every time as long as you pack the same way

 

Posted on 21/08/2018 10:58

Actually there is little point in publishing ex-works noseweight because it is unlikely that the ex-works figure will stay like that for very long, even if the caravan is unladen. Often things like motor movers or other accessories are fitted by the dealer before the caravan is handed over to the customer or the owner stores a few standard items permanently in the caravan, even though it is basically in an unladen condition, and all that will affect the noseweight.

However, it is a requirement that the manufacturer must specify the maximum allowable noseweight on the weight plate.

LazyLizard replied on 21/08/2018 11:10

Posted on 21/08/2018 11:10

comeyras, I think you are misreading the thread.....my issue is I have almost nothing in the van (apart from 6kg propane and a hot water tank I did not know I had!) and just a very few other bits and bobs and still read 115kg nose weight. I was only going to put the awning in and test the optimum position it needed to be to give a <100kg nose weight.  

LazyLizard replied on 21/08/2018 11:12

Posted on 21/08/2018 10:58 by Lutz

Actually there is little point in publishing ex-works noseweight because it is unlikely that the ex-works figure will stay like that for very long, even if the caravan is unladen. Often things like motor movers or other accessories are fitted by the dealer before the caravan is handed over to the customer or the owner stores a few standard items permanently in the caravan, even though it is basically in an unladen condition, and all that will affect the noseweight.

However, it is a requirement that the manufacturer must specify the maximum allowable noseweight on the weight plate.

Posted on 21/08/2018 11:12

Thanks Lutz, this makes sense. Cheers, Andrew

KjellNN replied on 21/08/2018 15:47

Posted on 21/08/2018 11:10 by LazyLizard

comeyras, I think you are misreading the thread.....my issue is I have almost nothing in the van (apart from 6kg propane and a hot water tank I did not know I had!) and just a very few other bits and bobs and still read 115kg nose weight. I was only going to put the awning in and test the optimum position it needed to be to give a <100kg nose weight.  

Posted on 21/08/2018 15:47

Where was all your stuff like bedding, towels, crockery, clothes and food?

When on a trip, we pack the van with what we will use in the van, most other stuff like the awning, table and chairs, Aquaroll, security devices etc etc, travels in the car.  Wastemaster goes in front locker.

When you have worked out how much payload you still have available for these "indoor" items, you then  need to weigh them as you pack to  check you are not overloaded, and pack them so as to balance the van to get the noseweight you need.

It would be a good idea to take the van to be weighed before you start loading it, but with the battery, gas, step and EHU cable in it, plus some fluids in the toilet.   That way you can calculate how much stuff you can then add to the van.  It may well be a lot less than you think!

Once you think you have it right, get the van weighed again to check.

commeyras replied on 21/08/2018 17:34

Posted on 21/08/2018 17:34

Nope, not misreading thread. The early posts covered most of the relevant suggestions. You should now have enough information to solve your nose weight dilemma.  I am no expert on the laws of physics but do realise that to reduce nose weight by 15kgs your awning would have to quite a distance from the axle!  Good luck you will get there.

redface replied on 21/08/2018 21:32

Posted on 21/08/2018 21:32

Spare wheel can make a difference, I have found.

Is it forward or behind the axle?

Is it there at all?

Do you leave it insitu,  put it in the car or carry it in the rear corner loo?

 All thing to all people, for what ever reason, but nonetheless something to check.

 

 

jennyc replied on 29/08/2018 04:12

Posted on 21/08/2018 09:51 by LazyLizard

Pippah, sounds like im amongst good company with the motor mover!

 

DMiller, im a little more puzzled now as you have very similar caravan and much lower nose weight than me (yes you have a lighter gas cylinder, have emptied the water but added two aqua rolls, wastemaster and TV to the front (versus my set up that was empty apart from the water tank) but im getting 45kg heavier on the nose.... just makes me think I may not have been level when I tested it or the gauge is wrong. but as I said I will calibrate against bathroom scales (although these always show me as being heavier than I should be :-) )   thanks again for comments. Andrew

Posted on 29/08/2018 04:12

Measuring nose weight when your van isn’t level makes just a small difference to noseweight (5Kg per 100mm from horizontal). I get the impression that you have unloaded the van for towing. However the manufacturer expects you to tow with the van loaded. Hence the nose weight will alter, depending on what and where you place the ‘cargo’. Fixed double bed vans have a huge space underneath, typically behind the axle. I would try stowing stuff in your van in convenient/ natural locations, including towards the rear, then check your nose weight again. Milenco gauges are arguably the best available, so I wouldn’t be too quick to assume that it’s misreading.

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