Nose weight question for newbie

LazyLizard replied on 20/08/2018 15:22

Posted on 20/08/2018 15:22

Hi,  We just lost our caravanning virginity with a lovely  weekend very close to where we picked up the van ( 2015 lunar clubman ) It’s now safely in store so I feel good after my first ever towing, hitching and set up.   Only a few minor incidents....(trying to move the van with the motor mover with the handbrake on and corner steadies down was the most memorable) anyhow on to my question. On leaving the site I tried to check the nose weight with my shiny new milenco calibrated gauge. We  had virtually nothing in the van apart from a full 6kg gas cylinder in the locker. When I checked the nose weight it read 115kg which is over the car and tow bars 100kg limit. As I had nothing in the van to reposition to balance the van I thought I may have been measuring it incorrectly or ( as I saw in some reviews ) the nose weight gauges are not always accurate.

I pressed on as not sure what to do and only had a few miles to go into store.  So my question is with a van almost empty with just the gas cylinder should it not be naturally balanced at a more reasonable nose weight?

maybe it was because I was worried about the nose weight I noticed a little bouncing of the car on occasion but I guess this is normal when towing (pulling with a fully loaded Hyundai Santa Fe ) so I reckon I was towing < 70% of the car weight.

Any help or guidance would be much appreciated.

Andrew

Merve replied on 20/08/2018 19:31

Posted on 20/08/2018 15:47 by cyberyacht

Some vans, including some of the Baileys particularly, start off with a very high nose weight. Yours may also well be one where you will have to stow everything behind the axle to get a sensible figure.

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:31

As Cyber says, Baileys are notorious for the nose weight being on the heavy side. If your 6kg Cylinders are of the steel type, that won’t help. I went to a Safefill refillable and that was a massive improvement. So much lighter. When I purchased a second, I put them behind the axle under the bed and that was a breeze. No problem with nose weight now. 

penguinpete replied on 20/08/2018 19:51

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:51

Hi guys, i have been caravaning for three years and now i seem to have the same problem. I have a chance to have a compass Casita 560 twin axle at a very good deal as i already have a compass rally but with optional extras damp two years on the trot and lost all trust in the van. 

My question is i am running at 84% with the awning in the car (ssangyoung karando 2.2) which is a good weight however towsure and one other say good match with a 90kg nose weight, but the car is only 80kg so loading the van on the rear slightly would do it but would it affect my stability.

Tigi replied on 20/08/2018 19:54

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:54

I have a Clubman CK and even that comes in loaded at about 87Kgs with as much rear end weight bias as I can manage, well within our cars noseweight but a lot of the caravans seem to be nose heavy now so your weight is probably right. The caravan was level when you took the weight?  Its can be quite difficult to reduce the noseweight without getting into the overloading scenario.

Not particularily relevant to you question but many of the continental Hobby`s etc seem to have their axles more inclined to the mid point rather than ours which tend aft of the mid point. Some continentals seem to manage to fit gas weighing around 23Kgs or have heavy dutch bikes on the tow bar even if you place weight at the rear that takes some balancing to keep to around 80/90Kgs.

replied on 20/08/2018 20:01

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:27 by commeyras

Been there done it; add  to list trying to drive off with mover still attached to wheels!  So to your nose weight.  I too have a Milenco weight gauge and they are really only a guide but very useful; you may wish to check the nose weight using bathroom scales - get a piece of wood (even a hammer) and put one end into ball connection of caravan and other on scales caravan  as level as possible.  If this reading is same as the Milenco one you can be reasonably sure it is right; if different just use split the difference!  When towing you should try to be as near the max as possible - 100kgs; I am assuming he car's max is 100kgs also.  When going on trips you will be able to adjust the nose weight by where put the stuff in the caravan but remember, heavy stuff over the axle and light stuff high heavy low - you WILL get the hang of it soon.  We put the awning in the car.

Suggest you prepare a check list to use before departure, there is one in the CMC Handbook and don't forget all skylights - yes we have missed that as well!!!sealed

Don't worry you will soon master the hobby and have loads (excuse the pun) of pleasurable holidays.  Finally, don't be afraid to ask for advice anywhere, even on a site.  One thing caravanners like doing is helping people - we were all novices once.

Posted on 20/08/2018 20:01

I have a piece of wood and cheap scales. I like it because I can check the scales calibration against my weight from our better quality scales

replied on 20/08/2018 20:02

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:51 by penguinpete

Hi guys, i have been caravaning for three years and now i seem to have the same problem. I have a chance to have a compass Casita 560 twin axle at a very good deal as i already have a compass rally but with optional extras damp two years on the trot and lost all trust in the van. 

My question is i am running at 84% with the awning in the car (ssangyoung karando 2.2) which is a good weight however towsure and one other say good match with a 90kg nose weight, but the car is only 80kg so loading the van on the rear slightly would do it but would it affect my stability.

Posted on 20/08/2018 20:02

 Better to stick on another thread than hijack this one Pete smile

TonyBurton replied on 20/08/2018 20:16

Posted on 20/08/2018 20:16

I have to load my Lunar up with all the heavy items way back behind the axle to get the nose weight right. Then the total weight of the van is too heavy. I wonder if anyone at Lunar ever goes caravanning. It does help to empty the hot water tank and leave the fluid in the toilet.

TonyBurton replied on 20/08/2018 20:16

Posted on 20/08/2018 20:16

I have to load my Lunar up with all the heavy items way back behind the axle to get the nose weight right. Then the total weight of the van is too heavy. I wonder if anyone at Lunar ever goes caravanning. It does help to empty the hot water tank and leave the fluid in the toilet.

Cornersteady replied on 20/08/2018 20:18

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:06 by SteveL

I think CS is referring to your hot water tank. Ours is located under the front seat, so forward of the axle. They hold between 8 and 10 litres of water, so 8 / 10kg. There is a small yellow flip tap close to the tank that requires putting in the vertical position. Then with the taps open the tank will drain out onto the pitch. If it's grass make sure you run all the hot off first. 

Posted on 20/08/2018 20:18

yes what he saidsmile

replied on 20/08/2018 20:25

Posted on 20/08/2018 20:16 by TonyBurton

I have to load my Lunar up with all the heavy items way back behind the axle to get the nose weight right. Then the total weight of the van is too heavy. I wonder if anyone at Lunar ever goes caravanning. It does help to empty the hot water tank and leave the fluid in the toilet.

Posted on 20/08/2018 20:25

All manufacturers have some nose heavy models it seems. I have a Lunar ES and no problems. 

Cornersteady replied on 20/08/2018 20:51

Posted on 20/08/2018 19:14 by LazyLizard

I had no idea about a hot water tank! The chap who did the van handover did not mention it. I’ll check this out at the weekend as we are off to Ambelside for a long weekend. I mistakenly left the handbook in the van at the storage site so can’t check in there.  Thanks for the info on this.

Posted on 20/08/2018 20:51

Hello, if you have hot water in your van then there will be a 'immersion heater' type tank that where it fills up with cold water from your aquaroll or what you have, and then it heats the water in it by gas or electricity. As you use the hot water more will be drawn in from the aqauroll. 

Have a look under your front left hand seats and you will see a big black tank like structure, usually next to the water inlet and battery box. Now these tanks usually hold about 10 litres and hence 10 Kg and for some strange reason this water heater (and combined space heater) is always at the front left hand side right next to your front outside locker and right where they will play a large part on nose weight. As Steve says you can drain the contents by a lever usually yellow or blue,simply pull it up to drain the water, and some people then leave it open but don't forget to close before trying to fill up your tank next time And yes I've tried to do that as well. That should take off a few Kg of noseweight

Hope this helps.

 

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