Electric car pulling a caravan
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Boff replied on 04/07/2022 13:17
Posted on 04/07/2022 13:17
A few weeks ago I wandered into my town past a row of Victorian terrace houses. I realised they all have gulley going from the house to road, to channel the rainwater from their roofs to the drains in the road. As they say nothing new under the sun.
This is reminding me of the Automatic vs manual transmission debate which is perennial and that divides into those that know that Autos are rubbish and those that have actually driven one.
Same here there are several that have EVs and are positive about the experience and then there are the whataboutit’s. Who regurgitate every tired old excuse, cliche and lie generated by the Tufton street think tank brigade. The laughable part is that some you actually believe that you are free thinkers.
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Tinwheeler replied on 04/07/2022 13:23
JVB66 replied on 04/07/2022 13:48
Posted on 04/07/2022 11:14 by brueI think JVB is hoping to find all possible worst case scenarios based on misinformation but the truth is that places like Norway, for example, have very high rates of ev ownership and the cold weather and charging conundrums have not deterred ownership.
ChocolateTrees replied on 04/07/2022 13:53
Posted on 04/07/2022 13:53
I was down at Goodwood weekend before last, for the FoS. It was a great day out - I loved watching all the old (and new) stuff hurtling up the track. Actually the old stuff has way more charisma than the brand new petrol (or electric) stuff. The FC1, Ford SuperVan and the Speirling were in a new class of excellent.
But I digress - one of the best bits of the FoS is electric avenue. The static display of a whole bunch of EVs from the small (three wheeler solo, and the new e.GO) to the new and interesting (Renault 5 Electric concept). Being able to climb in and try them all for size, get a feel for the screens and the tech was excellent.
And then talking to all the people already l looking. Lots asking if I was an EV owner already and how it was. Many thinking that with the choice available now, moving to an EV next is the smart move.
Also many who said they would not, for whatever reason. But that seemed to be a much smaller subset.
Boff replied on 04/07/2022 13:54
Posted on 04/07/2022 13:23 by TinwheelerBoff, there will always be those who consider new technology to be the work of the devil and will put it down at every opportunity rather than embracing it.
JVB66 replied on 04/07/2022 13:56
Posted on 04/07/2022 13:17 by BoffA few weeks ago I wandered into my town past a row of Victorian terrace houses. I realised they all have gulley going from the house to road, to channel the rainwater from their roofs to the drains in the road. As they say nothing new under the sun.
This is reminding me of the Automatic vs manual transmission debate which is perennial and that divides into those that know that Autos are rubbish and those that have actually driven one.Same here there are several that have EVs and are positive about the experience and then there are the whataboutit’s. Who regurgitate every tired old excuse, cliche and lie generated by the Tufton street think tank brigade. The laughable part is that some you actually believe that you are free thinkers.
Posted on 04/07/2022 13:56
Some victorian terraced properties May have what you noticed ,but our area is not Victorian as many built since have been built and still are since the second word war
And as for charging overnight? At home the most economic way of charging, it is quite a surprise for those working if they can actually find a parking space near their property let alone outside
As for lies it more likely that it is the majority of those who have an LV do not like to admit the many drawbackes that have yet to be addressed
brue replied on 04/07/2022 14:15
Posted on 04/07/2022 14:15
JVB, I think I am well versed in your thoughts about electric vehicles and also aware that one size doesn't fit all, it never has done with any type of vehicle. If you feel strongly that we're on the wrong tack maybe a thread about the benfits of CO2 emissions and internal combustion engines....?
Boff replied on 04/07/2022 14:18
Posted on 04/07/2022 13:56 by JVB66Some victorian terraced properties May have what you noticed ,but our area is not Victorian as many built since have been built and still are since the second word war
And as for charging overnight? At home the most economic way of charging, it is quite a surprise for those working if they can actually find a parking space near their property let alone outside
As for lies it more likely that it is the majority of those who have an LV do not like to admit the many drawbackes that have yet to be addressed
Posted on 04/07/2022 14:18
I wasn’t advocating using the Victorian gulleys but rather showing a solution that could work if you prepared to show some imagination Regarding this idea that if it doesn’t work for everyone then no one should have one. As not everyone can afford any sort of car then perhaps we should ban them completely to be fair to all?
JVB66 replied on 04/07/2022 14:19
Posted on 04/07/2022 12:39 by ChocolateTreesVery well versed with the terraced housing in many (not just northern) towns and cities. Oxford has a large proportion of terraced housing without dedicated parking. They are finding solutions, including the very practical solution of cable gullies, promoted by Oxford council. https://www.goultralowoxford.org/info/5/chargers/13/chargers/3
I agree there is no "one size fits all". That is indeed my very point. Lots and lots of people are in a position to take advantage of the benefits of home charging. Around 1/3 of households in the UK don't have off-road parking. That means around 2/3rds do.
For those that a solution is not yet available for, time will tell what the solutions will be. Cars will continue to come down in price, the second hand market will grow, as cars get older, their prices will drop too.
My experience related here is not born out of reading "guff" from the Guardian or BBC, any more than it is from the "guff" from the Daily Mail, Telegraph, Times or Sky. It's from my own personal lived experience of 5 years with a PHEV, over a year with an EV and 13 years of towing a caravan, 13 month of which is EV towing.
I am really sorry if my lived experience presents a view that doesn't match your world view and clashes with the pre-concived stereotypes of EV usage that you seem to feel are the truth. Of course, your world is not mine, so maybe (probably) an EV is not right for you. Also fine. But there are a (rapidly growing) number of folks for whom it is viable, and maybe the hoppytravel, the OP, is one of those people. My aim is giving them some real pointers on what CAN be achieved, rather than regurgitating the falsehoods and myths based on zero real experience.
Posted on 04/07/2022 14:19
The big difference with you experience of Part and full electric vehicles,is not as many in areas such as ours and I would think many others
You have now a company car of quite a high range model,a place to charge it overnight at a quite low rate
compared to using public charging points because most electric vehicle owners in this area would have to use, and even more so in the future as new builds in this area are mostly "apartments"(flats)
As I have posted before a neibour has an almost worthless phev ,as it could need a replacement. Battery and OHs son has a VW he has on lease and also has first hand knowledge of the drawbacks of ownership in urban areas when commuting,he says if he did not have a free charging point at his workplace,
He would hold off having a EV until they and the infrastructure is far more advanced
Tinwheeler replied on 04/07/2022 14:26
Posted on 04/07/2022 14:26
What difference does it make whether the car is company owned or privately owned? ChocT's very valued experience is still relevant and very useful to many.
Your step son has his view of EVs but that does not mean it applies to everyone. Some will go for it, some not. That is the way with all things.
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