What Would a UK Club Type Aire Look Like

GEandGJE replied on 10/07/2024 11:33

Posted on 10/07/2024 11:33

With all the recent discussion on CT around the different needs of Motorhome touring opposed to touring with a Caravan and the shift in club member ownership towards motorhomes let’s try looking forward for once and discuss what a UK Club type aire would look like.

My thoughts are that the club would have 3 options in providing a club type Aire.

1.       Build a new dedicated site. Basic needs would be a booking system, which is already in place, payment made in full before arrival, small change to the booking system required, ANPR, trials already in place. The site wouldn’t need a facilities block, just a chemical waste point to be provided, EHU if required would be by metering, trials already in place and fresh water could also be available by metering. I would limit the size of the site to 10 units and have a maximum stay of 2 nights. The biggest issues the club would face in providing this would be finding the right location at the right price and obtaining planning permission.

2.       Convert an existing site. Convert all or part of an existing site owned by the club. Same requirements as in option 1. Planning permission could be an issue.

3.        CL Network. Partner with the existing CL network owners to provide an aire type site, again with the same requirements as option1.

I think that either options 2 or 3 should be trialed first before committing major expenditure to option 1.  Again just my thoughts, neither right or wrong.

What would your club type aire look like and how would you implement it.

Oneputt replied on 10/07/2024 11:52

Posted on 10/07/2024 11:52

The club need to spend a considerable amount on existing sites before they consider investing in sidelines.  
Would CL’s want to jeopardise their current income stream

JimE replied on 10/07/2024 11:59

Posted on 10/07/2024 11:59

It would be great if the club were to intoduce aires, but I think it highly unlikely given their record of just paying lip service to the needs of MHers.

They could do worse than follow the model of Camping Car-Park which is an off the peg solution which is very popular "over there".  Existing club sites that are closed in the winter could possibly be used all year round (subject to planning, lease conditions etc).

My requirements for an aire would be :

  • An online booking and payment system via an App
  • Automatic entry & exit system via APPR or an electronic card/QR code
  • No site staff, but maintenace carried out regularly by contractors
  • Max 25 pitches on all weather surface.  5 metre spacing between pitches.
  • Max stay 5 days, no minimum, including a short service stop facility
  • No facilities block, timed water supply.
  • A driveover waste disposal point that is actually designed for larger vehicles
  • Optional metered EHU

A nice idea - we can all dream !

Tinwheeler replied on 10/07/2024 12:02

Posted on 10/07/2024 11:52 by Oneputt

The club need to spend a considerable amount on existing sites before they consider investing in sidelines.  
Would CL’s want to jeopardise their current income stream

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:02

+1, One

 

GE, It's been discussed before several times with the conclusion that it simply isn’t feasible for CAMC to do. Apart from anything else, it goes against the ethos of CAMC being all inclusive as caravanners/tenters/trailer tenters would be excluded.

GEandGJE replied on 10/07/2024 12:21

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:02 by Tinwheeler

+1, One

 

GE, It's been discussed before several times with the conclusion that it simply isn’t feasible for CAMC to do. Apart from anything else, it goes against the ethos of CAMC being all inclusive as caravanners/tenters/trailer tenters would be excluded.

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:21

TW I did say let's look forward and not back. Was the conclusion that it isn't feasible made by those on CT or by the club?

Tinwheeler replied on 10/07/2024 12:22

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:22

Another thought. Is there a real need for CAMC to provide aire type car parks? From what I read, club sites seem to be attracting at least as many motorhomers as caravanners. Would CAMC really want to have those MHs park off the main sites at a reduced fee? I suspect it’s not in the best interest of the club or its non-MH members but something best left to another organisation which is a thought we’ve expressed here before.

Tinwheeler replied on 10/07/2024 12:24

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:21 by GEandGJE

TW I did say let's look forward and not back. Was the conclusion that it isn't feasible made by those on CT or by the club?

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:24

I am looking forward, GE, but see nothing there.

As I recall, CAMC said nothing on the matter.

GEandGJE replied on 10/07/2024 12:41

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:22 by Tinwheeler

Another thought. Is there a real need for CAMC to provide aire type car parks? From what I read, club sites seem to be attracting at least as many motorhomers as caravanners. Would CAMC really want to have those MHs park off the main sites at a reduced fee? I suspect it’s not in the best interest of the club or its non-MH members but something best left to another organisation which is a thought we’ve expressed here before.

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:41

I think that an aire type site would attract new members into the club, those who don't want full facility sites or just want an overnight stop off. The club does need to be looking into the future needs of new and existing members for the club to remain relevant. 

Tinwheeler replied on 10/07/2024 12:53

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:41 by GEandGJE

I think that an aire type site would attract new members into the club, those who don't want full facility sites or just want an overnight stop off. The club does need to be looking into the future needs of new and existing members for the club to remain relevant. 

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:53

That lets me out then 😄

TobyLeeds replied on 10/07/2024 12:57

Posted on 10/07/2024 12:57

Perhaps the owners of C L sites could be invited to join a centrally marketed “superior” (for Motorhomes) network. Bookings and payment taken centrally, with sites offering Aire type facilities ( good hard standings, metered water and electricity if showers are available then an additional charge. Club take an admin and marketing fee and ensure a high standard is maintained. 
Some Aires may be suitable for caravans but would this matter?

peedee replied on 10/07/2024 13:00

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:00

But TW the membership of the Club is changing, over 50 percent are now motorhome owners,  By not doing anything the Club risks others making the provision (some have already done so notably in Scotland) and if not losing members at the very least a declining occupancy because motorhome/campervan owners will use these facilities as a mix with Club sites as some owners do already.

As to the best way forward for the Club, they should be looking at option one in partnership with landowners especially at or near toursit attractions. I think this is the way forward for any organisation or future organisation considering making aire provisions. The Club is cash rich and I am sure many landowners (councils?) would welcome an injection of capital in return for a portion of the income.

peedee

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