What Would a UK Club Type Aire Look Like

GEandGJE replied on 10/07/2024 11:33

Posted on 10/07/2024 11:33

With all the recent discussion on CT around the different needs of Motorhome touring opposed to touring with a Caravan and the shift in club member ownership towards motorhomes let’s try looking forward for once and discuss what a UK Club type aire would look like.

My thoughts are that the club would have 3 options in providing a club type Aire.

1.       Build a new dedicated site. Basic needs would be a booking system, which is already in place, payment made in full before arrival, small change to the booking system required, ANPR, trials already in place. The site wouldn’t need a facilities block, just a chemical waste point to be provided, EHU if required would be by metering, trials already in place and fresh water could also be available by metering. I would limit the size of the site to 10 units and have a maximum stay of 2 nights. The biggest issues the club would face in providing this would be finding the right location at the right price and obtaining planning permission.

2.       Convert an existing site. Convert all or part of an existing site owned by the club. Same requirements as in option 1. Planning permission could be an issue.

3.        CL Network. Partner with the existing CL network owners to provide an aire type site, again with the same requirements as option1.

I think that either options 2 or 3 should be trialed first before committing major expenditure to option 1.  Again just my thoughts, neither right or wrong.

What would your club type aire look like and how would you implement it.

TobyLeeds replied on 10/07/2024 13:03

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:03

Aires in France are funded by the local authority to attract tourism. This won’t happen in the UK! So if motorhomers are looking for cheap overnight stopovers with basic facilities - forget it - it’s not going to happen!  Better to utilise the existing network of CL s as above

peedee replied on 10/07/2024 13:05

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:05

I would rule out the vast majority of the CLs being involved in anything, they are too remote from where motorhome owners want to be with some being difficult to access by other than campervans.

peedee

Cornersteady replied on 10/07/2024 13:07

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:07

There is this idea that the club is not somehow meeting the needs of motorhomers, or indeed never met them. Yet the statistics show otherwise.

Apart from the highest ever membership to date it was stated by the club that current MH ownership has  risen from 50% to around over 70%. People visiting club sites note this change, MH most of the time outnumber caravans, and often outnumber them on service pitches. I've noticed 80% many a time. It has looked to the future otherwise MH owning membership and use of club sites would not be so high. There are already plenty of new members.

The club offers one style of MH touring and I believe there are plenty of other types. Surely there are places that offer what the OP wants? If there is such a demand why aren't there other providers offering them? 

Apart from all that, the biggest question is money. Where will the money come from to build these new sites? The money to buy the land? If these aires are going to be close to cities and towns then the cost is even more? I'm not against MH in any way and have often said so but why should my money, which I pay to use club sites, be used to pay for something that I cannot use? Would the OP be happy to pay for caravan only sites? 

What is wrong with using CLs btw for this purpose? I thought the idea of MH is that they can easily get to anywhere?

 

TobyLeeds replied on 10/07/2024 13:12

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:12

Agree peedee  - this is why it would need to be centrally monitored to ensure access etc is suitable - although remote Aires are popular in France for short stays. A superior scheme could be cost neutral to the club and may encourage more land owners into a well run scheme.

Tinwheeler replied on 10/07/2024 13:16

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:16

What is it exactly that motorhomers want that a site doesn’t provide? I can only think the reason hinges around the reluctance to spend their cash 🤷🏻‍♂️

peedee replied on 10/07/2024 13:20

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:16 by Tinwheeler

What is it exactly that motorhomers want that a site doesn’t provide? I can only think the reason hinges around the reluctance to spend their cash 🤷🏻‍♂️

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:20

Its more about what motorhome owners don't need than need TW.

peedee

Cornersteady replied on 10/07/2024 13:25

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:00 by peedee

But TW the membership of the Club is changing, over 50 percent are now motorhome owners,  By not doing anything the Club risks others making the provision (some have already done so notably in Scotland) and if not losing members at the very least a declining occupancy because motorhome/campervan owners will use these facilities as a mix with Club sites as some owners do already.

As to the best way forward for the Club, they should be looking at option one in partnership with landowners especially at or near toursit attractions. I think this is the way forward for any organisation or future organisation considering making aire provisions. The Club is cash rich and I am sure many landowners (councils?) would welcome an injection of capital in return for a portion of the income.

peedee

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:25

But TW the membership of the Club is changing, over 50 percent are now motorhome owners,

Exactly PD it has risen from 50% to over 70% in a few short years, highest membership ever (480,000 household was it?) and these new members with the MHs keep re-joining. Doesn't that show that the club is offering exactly what these type of MH owners are wanting? How does that equate to losing members? If anything it appears to be gaining them I would say. You have posted yourself to say MH now outnumber caravans on sites, I and others have seen it too.

Let others make the provision, but are there these new provisions proving successful? You mention Scotland but any major ones southwards? The club will offer one type, let others off something else. The club has  a membership fee and that means all members should have access to the pitches on club sites

The is now cash rich? Many a time you've poste that club finances are in trouble, occupancy and  income down (as you posted very recently) and now it is cash rich? Even if it is why should that richness be spent only on one section of the membership?

I've just looked at few tourist attractions and there are numerous CLs very close, what makes you think they are not? 

 

Tinwheeler replied on 10/07/2024 13:30

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:20 by peedee

Its more about what motorhome owners don't need than need TW.

peedee

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:30

Don’t need? So what? There are always things on sites that individuals don’t need. I never needed kiddies' play areas and rarely used dish washing facilities or the laundry room. You either buy the whole package or nothing at all. 

Cornersteady replied on 10/07/2024 13:37

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:20 by peedee

Its more about what motorhome owners don't need than need TW.

peedee

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:37

Then please explain why, if MHs do not need all that a club site offers then why are there so many MH owning members (going up) and why do so many MH owners use club sites? Why so many MHs use SP at an extra £5 per night? 

Surely if they wanted less they would go somewhere where (according to you) the prices are cheaper and they won't be paying the higher prices for things they donot need. And never mind joining in the first place, and of course re-joining

what motorhome owners...

I think you may have missed a 'some' there. Now some MH owners may not want certain things but that is not all owners. You appear to be suggesting that all of them?

But let market forces dictate that, if motorhome owners don't need all that then surely they will go elsewhere?

peedee replied on 10/07/2024 13:42

Posted on 10/07/2024 13:42

Exactly PD it has risen from 50% to over 70% in a few short years, highest membership ever (480,000 household was it?)

Where can I find such figures Corners?

The is now cash rich? Many a time you've poste that club finances are in trouble, occupancy and income down (as you posted very recently) and now it is cash rich?

There is a diference between cash reserves (£30 million plus last time I checked) available for investment and what is actually happening on sites in the last year.

peedee

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