Issues when moving to all electric towcars

Mr H replied on 12/03/2021 10:43

Posted on 12/03/2021 10:43

Already there are going to be many issues relating to using EV's. Range anxiety, charging point availability etc. This will all be increased when towing a caravan. For example how many charging stations will provide space for the caravan during the charging process? So is it time for Caravan designers to think out of the box?

My suggestion would be to add, the same type battery being used for the car, to the chassis of the caravan connected as at present to the car. This could be charged overnight when on a hook up on site. Also using similar technology, used by motor racing, it should be possible to get a charge, from the rotation of the wheels, much like the dynamo that powered the lights on an old bike. Finally, the roof of the caravan could have a custom made solar panel covering all available solid surfaces ie. around windows etc to add to the charge, There should be minimal changes to the caravan wiring as it virtually already exists.

What do you think?

flatcoat replied on 28/04/2021 22:14

Posted on 28/04/2021 22:14

There is a letter in this weeks Autocar ftom someone who cannot take delivery of their EV yet. They need a home charging point but the power company are not sure the supply has capacity to meet demand at times of peak demand. Imagine if 5 houses all in a row want an EV but the network only has capacity for 3 to install a charging point..... Whatever the supporters of BEV insist on thinking and telling others what they should drive, the reality is you cannot buck the market. And if VW believe the price of batteries is going to halve in the next 2 years they are kidding themselves. I suspect Toyota have it sussed with their hydrogen powered ICE prototype, and i do not mean the Miria. 

hitchglitch replied on 29/04/2021 09:11

Posted on 28/04/2021 22:14 by flatcoat

There is a letter in this weeks Autocar ftom someone who cannot take delivery of their EV yet. They need a home charging point but the power company are not sure the supply has capacity to meet demand at times of peak demand. Imagine if 5 houses all in a row want an EV but the network only has capacity for 3 to install a charging point..... Whatever the supporters of BEV insist on thinking and telling others what they should drive, the reality is you cannot buck the market. And if VW believe the price of batteries is going to halve in the next 2 years they are kidding themselves. I suspect Toyota have it sussed with their hydrogen powered ICE prototype, and i do not mean the Miria. 

Posted on 29/04/2021 09:11

That’s a very short sighted statement. Chargers, cars and the grid all have the capability for diversified charging. I charge between 12.30 am and 4.30 am. Not much demand at that time of the morning and the cost is only 5p per unit which works out at just over 1p per mile. The local distribution companies need to get their act together. Every road in our town is being dug up to install fibre optics for fast broadband. Which is the more important?

A bit head in the sand to say that EVs are not going to happen when every manufacturer is ditching ICEs in favour of electric. Large numbers of new models are being launched. Not much sign of Hydrogen for the technical issues yet to be overcome as I said earlier.

replied on 29/04/2021 09:55

Posted on 29/04/2021 09:55

There is still a long way to go to get the infrastructure started from what I have seen. How is UK progressing this I have no idea. I do not see that for me home charging would b the problem; for others it may be

JVB66 replied on 29/04/2021 10:25

Posted on 29/04/2021 10:25

As posted before, we ,and millions of others who live in terraced houses have no means of access for EV charging nearby, as many cannot even park their vehicles outside their own properties,flats have even more of a problem

One idea is/was to use street lamps for changing points but the supplies are that old ,and lights are now Leds in our area not just to conserve power ,but also to reduce the load on old infrastructure,

There was a major problem (before covid reduced the need for so many trains)on the East Coast Mainline from Bewick that needed massive  Infrastructure up grade, to enable all the required electric trains to use the line,

We have a very long way to go before what HMG is wanting is possible

 

DavidKlyne replied on 29/04/2021 10:56

Posted on 29/04/2021 10:56

It would be interesting to hear from Brue and Hitchglitch, and other current owners of EV's, how often they charge their cars for general running around. Is it possible that fairly infrequent charging is possible if not going on a longer journey? In that case it may be enough just to leave your car on charge at the local supermarket whilst you do your shopping?

I don't think we can judge what might be the situation in 2030 by today's infrastructure. Clearly it needs to increased massively as the number of EV's grows. As I have mentioned in the past MK seems pretty well advance with the provision of EV charging points but even those won't be enough as EV use approaches even 50% of vehicles on the road. 

David

JVB66 replied on 29/04/2021 11:09

Posted on 29/04/2021 10:56 by DavidKlyne

It would be interesting to hear from Brue and Hitchglitch, and other current owners of EV's, how often they charge their cars for general running around. Is it possible that fairly infrequent charging is possible if not going on a longer journey? In that case it may be enough just to leave your car on charge at the local supermarket whilst you do your shopping?

I don't think we can judge what might be the situation in 2030 by today's infrastructure. Clearly it needs to increased massively as the number of EV's grows. As I have mentioned in the past MK seems pretty well advance with the provision of EV charging points but even those won't be enough as EV use approaches even 50% of vehicles on the road. 

David

Posted on 29/04/2021 11:09

I have also posted before with regards to one if our neighbours who has a Mitsubishi  ,which they normally only use for local journeys, and have said that it is in need of charging more often as it has got older, and they have to park on a "public"green to get near to their terraced house,to charge it. 

Ps I do not think Brue has the problem of batt running out as their car has a "range extender" engine

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 29/04/2021 12:37

Posted on 29/04/2021 11:09 by JVB66

I have also posted before with regards to one if our neighbours who has a Mitsubishi  ,which they normally only use for local journeys, and have said that it is in need of charging more often as it has got older, and they have to park on a "public"green to get near to their terraced house,to charge it. 

Ps I do not think Brue has the problem of batt running out as their car has a "range extender" engine

Posted on 29/04/2021 12:37

How do folk survive now without a petrol/diesel pumps on their property?🤔. I reckon I’d go to the fuel stn, it’ll be electric fuel not fossil fuel by then. It’s not too hard to plan your fuel needs-if a person struggles to see the answer I’m afraid that person should not be driving🤷🏻‍♂️☹️

JVB66 replied on 29/04/2021 12:42

Posted on 29/04/2021 12:37 by Rocky 2 buckets

How do folk survive now without a petrol/diesel pumps on their property?🤔. I reckon I’d go to the fuel stn, it’ll be electric fuel not fossil fuel by then. It’s not too hard to plan your fuel needs-if a person struggles to see the answer I’m afraid that person should not be driving🤷🏻‍♂️☹️

Posted on 29/04/2021 12:42

I think a 5min stop for fossil fuel is a bit different to the time needed to charge an EV unless the fuel station  has some form of "entertainment ?"while waiting for batt to chargeundecidedcool,

Rocky 2 buckets replied on 29/04/2021 12:56

Posted on 29/04/2021 12:42 by JVB66

I think a 5min stop for fossil fuel is a bit different to the time needed to charge an EV unless the fuel station  has some form of "entertainment ?"while waiting for batt to chargeundecidedcool,

Posted on 29/04/2021 12:56

Psssst. . .It’s 14years yet before we lose new ICE vehicles, by then there’ll be a 5minute charge. This is the 21st century. By the time you buy new tech it’s already old tech. Fast charging is here for phones it just needs scaling up. We all need to wrap our heads around the new World-no more the sluggish 20th century. Get with the programme or get out of the way👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Metheven replied on 29/04/2021 13:25

Posted on 29/04/2021 13:25

Who knows!

At 'fuel' stations perhaps the future will be a drive over charging pad embedded in the parking space, of which there are many. No good thinking of tomorrows technology using current thoughts of the present.

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