Issues when moving to all electric towcars

Mr H replied on 12/03/2021 10:43

Posted on 12/03/2021 10:43

Already there are going to be many issues relating to using EV's. Range anxiety, charging point availability etc. This will all be increased when towing a caravan. For example how many charging stations will provide space for the caravan during the charging process? So is it time for Caravan designers to think out of the box?

My suggestion would be to add, the same type battery being used for the car, to the chassis of the caravan connected as at present to the car. This could be charged overnight when on a hook up on site. Also using similar technology, used by motor racing, it should be possible to get a charge, from the rotation of the wheels, much like the dynamo that powered the lights on an old bike. Finally, the roof of the caravan could have a custom made solar panel covering all available solid surfaces ie. around windows etc to add to the charge, There should be minimal changes to the caravan wiring as it virtually already exists.

What do you think?

JVB66 replied on 14/03/2021 18:13

Posted on 14/03/2021 18:01 by Mr H

Yes If you think about standard car design batteries are a common design, the filler cap position is about the same, tyres, lights are made to fit a standard height etc.

 

Posted on 14/03/2021 18:13

There needs to be a radical rethink by vehicle makers ,to enable standard type and fitting of Batts to EVs,and all standard power and sizes for every vehicle

at this time it seems every vehicle has it own type/size of battery depending on what the vehicle is used for

tricia11 replied on 14/03/2021 18:57

Posted on 14/03/2021 18:57

What will happen to all the dead acid filled batteries I ask, when all cars and vans go electric?.

Tinwheeler replied on 14/03/2021 19:19

Posted on 14/03/2021 18:57 by tricia11

What will happen to all the dead acid filled batteries I ask, when all cars and vans go electric?.

Posted on 14/03/2021 19:19

Batteries will be disposed of in the same way as now as will whole cars when they reach the end of their lives. No change really.

brue replied on 14/03/2021 19:40

Posted on 14/03/2021 18:13 by JVB66

There needs to be a radical rethink by vehicle makers ,to enable standard type and fitting of Batts to EVs,and all standard power and sizes for every vehicle

at this time it seems every vehicle has it own type/size of battery depending on what the vehicle is used for

Posted on 14/03/2021 19:40

You could always put your ideas forward to the R&D at Tesla JVB. wink

JVB66 replied on 14/03/2021 20:12

Posted on 14/03/2021 19:40 by brue

You could always put your ideas forward to the R&D at Tesla JVB. wink

Posted on 14/03/2021 20:12

Not for me to look at Tesla ,as i was if you noted? replying to Mr H who has stated a batt exchange system? to save on the  additional time needed at this time to complete journies in an EV compared to ICE vehicleswink

flatcoat replied on 14/03/2021 22:37

Posted on 14/03/2021 22:37

The battery exchange idea was trued by Renault on the BEV Influence, i am sure we are all aware what a stunning commercial success that has been and how it influenced....  other car makers to adopt the idea. It is utterly bonkers, like saying all ICE cars should have the same engine. Shows a complete lack of understanding of technology, commercial enterprise and the benefits of competition. Even communist China doesn’t promote that. 

cyberyacht replied on 15/03/2021 06:43

Posted on 14/03/2021 18:01 by Mr H

Yes If you think about standard car design batteries are a common design, the filler cap position is about the same, tyres, lights are made to fit a standard height etc.

 

Posted on 15/03/2021 06:43

You obviously haven't had to shell out for a replacement rear light recently have you? A multiplicity of different styling designs for a bit of 50p plastic that usually costs £20-30. Interchangeability? I don't see it happening.

viatorem replied on 15/03/2021 08:12

Posted on 15/03/2021 08:12

Alko, Dethleffs and an Australian company has already demonstrated electrically assisted caravan chassis.

I think if there's a a demand and the price / performance an ecaravan stacks up we may see them. Of course this would be a new type of powered vehicle so new type approval and road traffic legislation may be needed making it more complex and expensive for manufacturers.

The key factor will be if battery energy density increases at a sufficient rate. Around 3 times current density  would give a towcar range performance comparable to ice vehicles. There's a lot of research efforts going into this so there's probably improvement to come (trends below)  If this is achieved caravan design could carry on as is which is why there are only demo ecaravans so far.

https://www.alko-tech.com/uk/next-generation-trailer-platform

https://newatlas.com/dethleffs-electric-coco-caravan/56056/

https://www.gorv.com.au/world-first-hybrid-drive-caravan-system/

 

 

viatorem replied on 15/03/2021 18:20

Posted on 15/03/2021 11:49 by DSB

Interesting article here, if anyone is interested.....

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/03/12/audi-e-tron-tesla-model-3-towing-large-small-caravan/

David

Posted on 15/03/2021 18:20

 Interesting test. Looks like the range of both cars is around 120-130 miles albeit on a flat road. Which kind of confirms that the batteries need 3x nominal capacity to match ICE range on realistic terrains.

Battery capacity has tripled in the last 12 years or so, same again and no need for electrically assisted caravans.

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