Internet should be free

fernhill replied on 12/07/2021 18:55

Posted on 12/07/2021 18:55

Because of its location I recently stayed at a Camping and Caravan Club site. It was exactly as their strap line states "Friendly" its also had free internet on unlimited devices and good quality.
I then moved to a CMH site which was considerably more expensive on top of which i had to purchase internet and it was only valid for one device, the contrast could not have been more stark. Many members were grumbling and commenting.
Yes overall CMH sites are of better and more consistent quality in terms of facilities and grounds etc but paying for internet today is like living in the dark ages.
Free internet is ubiquitous; hotels, airports, shopping centres restaurants, pubs. even McDonalds. ...nearly everywhere except CMH sites

 

fernhill replied on 12/07/2021 20:47

Posted on 12/07/2021 20:13 by Tinwheeler

Have you studied the annual accounts to arrive at that conclusion?

Posted on 12/07/2021 20:47

its can be accessed from Companies House website, all in the public domain

 

Hja replied on 12/07/2021 20:53

Posted on 12/07/2021 20:53

The only time we have purchased Club internet is when staying at Crystal Palace for a week and thought it would be useful - as it was.  However, it wasnt wonderful in terms of reception etc.

We often use CLs where even phone signals can be hit & miss - so cant tether on my phone (or at least I couldnt get it to work & I assume it was to do with what was poor phone signals).

Obviously it is not always easy to get good wi-fi, especially in rural areas, that allows the amount of use that some members seem to want.  Even on a domestic basis, living in an urban area, we still cannot get fibre broadband.

We have now made our own arrangements with our new van - 4g router + sim card etc.  Allows access in many more places, but is still not going to be perfect.  Many new motorhomes now come with wi-fi systems either as standard or as very affordable add-ons.  Dont know if this applies for caravans.

I for one can think of better things for the Club to spend money on (our money - subs & fees) than very expensive wi fi options that every one would have to pay for if incorporated into fees.  

There is already a push to have pitches with no electricity as an option (obviously cheaper pitch fee) and differential charging for awning/non awning pitches - may be we are moving towards a more subtle and menued (is that a word) approach to charging!!

replied on 12/07/2021 20:53

Posted on 12/07/2021 20:53

I have not toured since 2019 but was generally happy to pay the annul price for CMC internet. We also use a 4G router if we are both online as OH reads more and since I lost sight in one eye I find reading books tiresome as I cannot scan the page. 

The CMC internet worked fine

Tinwheeler replied on 12/07/2021 21:00

Posted on 12/07/2021 20:47 by fernhill

its can be accessed from Companies House website, all in the public domain

 

Posted on 12/07/2021 21:00

I know where to find the accounts and they are also published in the club magazine but my question was whether you had studied the accounts in order to arrive at your view that "i think the CMH rates are high enough already to cover it".

In other words, I was trying to establish if you had accounting evidence to support your statement or whether it was more of a general grumble about site prices.🤷🏻‍♂️

JVB66 replied on 12/07/2021 21:18

Posted on 12/07/2021 20:07 by fernhill

of course..but i think the CMH rates are high enough already to cover it

 

Posted on 12/07/2021 21:18

Interesting. comment about site prices.   ,as posted elsewhere in April we had next to us four hired motor caravans, all non members,  and  they were saying if they had realised how reasonable the prices at the CAMC sites were ,they would have hired the vehicles before and done as they were now doing,  It was costing them ,including non members prices £32per night for two peoplewink

young thomas replied on 13/07/2021 10:25

Posted on 13/07/2021 10:25

I thought the non member 'premium' was £12?

so they were on a site which only charged £20 per head?.....might just about be posible in April...??

Hillhead in summer, member price is around £50....i doubt theyd think £62 a head was 'reasonable'....

id certainly expct free internet (and waiter service) at that price....

JohnM20 replied on 13/07/2021 10:36

Posted on 13/07/2021 10:36

Earlier in the year we went to a CL in Cornwall and another in Devon. Both had free and reliable WiFi. When we were in the Black Forest in Germany a few years ago the whole of the village we were staying at was on free WiFi. Yes, it has to be paid for in some way but what is the actual cost of installing and running it? I've no idea but the prices charged by CaMC have always seemed very high to me and so don't use it. As said in previous posts, there are plenty of places and hotspots where WiFi is free.

brue replied on 13/07/2021 11:10

Posted on 12/07/2021 20:53 by

I have not toured since 2019 but was generally happy to pay the annul price for CMC internet. We also use a 4G router if we are both online as OH reads more and since I lost sight in one eye I find reading books tiresome as I cannot scan the page. 

The CMC internet worked fine

Posted on 13/07/2021 11:10

The problem is it doesn't work fine on all sites, in fact I think some sites have hot spots only so it can be disappointing to the unwary who pay up and then find their particular site has a poor signal.

We tried it at first and everyone can use the CAMC web site freely but for us there's much better connectivity using our own means. 

That said we do connect up to free wi fi if it's available elsewhere but we switch between our own connections if there are any problems. 

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eribaMotters replied on 13/07/2021 15:50

Posted on 13/07/2021 15:50

How much would it cost to install Wi-Fi from scratch on a typical site? Somebody please tell me so we cannot stop making guesses on if/by how much this might effect charges. 

I'm guessing if you looked at this sum compared to the pitch fees taken in an average year it would make interesting reading. 

I think the argument about all paying for something they may decide not to use does not really hold water. We make a choice on what facilities we use on site. Some do not bother with the showers, preferring to use those in the van, when I think most of us would agree the amenities blocks are a club strength. 

Inependant sites and CL's with good facilties are offering free Wi-Fi at pitch prices that vastly undercut club sites. Yes it is true that they do not offer the services the club does, but then again they also do not benefit from the economy of scale or proceeds of such services. 

We are living in a high tech world so why not have high tech services. 

Colin

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