Great Big Green Week

RowenaBCAMC replied on 12/06/2024 15:11

Posted on 12/06/2024 15:11

With Great Big Green Week in full swing, I wanted to see if we could share ideas on how we can make our beloved hobby more sustainable. One of the key initiatives for this year's event is celebrating swaps to promote sustainability, and I believe our community has a wealth of creative ideas to contribute.

Sustainability is crucial, not just for the environment, but also for the future of our hobby. So, let's brainstorm together on what items or practices we can swap to help reduce our carbon footprint and make our adventures more eco-friendly.

Have you discovered any innovative products or techniques that have helped make your caravan or motorhome lifestyle more sustainable? Are there specific items you've swapped out that have had a positive impact on reducing waste or energy consumption? Share your experiences, tips, and suggestions with us!

Perhaps you've found eco-friendly alternatives to common caravan accessories, or maybe you've implemented a recycling system while on the road. Whatever it may be, your insights could inspire others in our community to make small changes that collectively lead to a significant positive impact.

Please use this discussion to exchange ideas, support each other in our sustainability efforts, and showcase the creativity and innovation within our community. If we can drive positive change we can ensure that future generations can continue to enjoy the beauty of the great outdoors through our love of caravanning and motorhoming.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts and ideas on how we can swap for sustainability during Great Big Green Week and beyond!

Tinwheeler replied on 02/07/2024 10:41

Posted on 02/07/2024 10:18 by mickysf

Regarding water use and our guesses as to which sort of pitch uses the least it always amazes me as to the number of people, particularly motorhomers, who fill their water tanks to the brim on arrival and empty that unused on leaving. Same with a few caravaners dumping their aquarolls contents. I wonder how many litres are wasted across the network during a season. I bet it’s considerable.

Posted on 02/07/2024 10:41

Come on, Micky, you know assessing water usage isn’t an exact science so caravanners are almost bound to have left overs to dispose of. In a hot summer (remember them?) it was a way of watering grass and hedges so not a waste.

Similarly with MH tanks, it’s near impossible to estimate how much will be needed for a stay but I can’t understand why folk empty them. It’s something we’ve only done at the end of the season. Maybe those people bought vans with unfit for purpose payloads🤷🏻‍♂️.

peedee replied on 02/07/2024 11:29

Posted on 02/07/2024 11:29

Anyone have a data on the take up of the CCC digital subscription in relation to number of members?

I do not know the overall takeup but it was stated in their annual report that 60 percent of new members take up digital membership.

peede

DavidKlyne replied on 02/07/2024 11:32

Posted on 02/07/2024 09:53 by peedee

I notice in the latest magazine that only 6,000 of the 385,000 members read it digitaly! Maybe if there was an option of a  digital subscription like the C&CC with a saving on membership fee, considerably more would agree to this greener option.

peedee

Posted on 02/07/2024 11:32

That statistic is quite telling in itself. I am not sure how they measure, perhaps just by clicks on the Magazine webpage? Also given that so many are complaining about not receiving the magazine due to post issues I would expect that figure to be much higher, especially with the Club promoting the online magazine in order to overcome delivery issue? I have not read the article but CS mentioned 2 or 3% of people opting out. It seems to me that the vast majority of the membership are wedded to the idea of a printed magazine? Given the current statistics I can't see there is much evidence to support the introduction of a digital membership, especially if people wanted it at a lower cost. And what would that saving be, perhaps the cost of a pint of beer a year? Is it worth it?

David

peedee replied on 02/07/2024 11:37

Posted on 02/07/2024 10:21 by Cornersteady

Is a digital magazine greener though? There are lot of contradictory views and research studies depending on if you believe that or not, with as far as I can see, no definite answer.

Digital magazines do not use any paper, so many consumers believe that digital magazines will save forests. However, digital magazines will be stored in servers that require energy use.

"It depends" Other research institutes have also concluded that printed media don't inherently possess a worse environmental impact compared to their digital counterparts. The argument stands that a print medium consumes resources and energy during production only once but can be utilized multiple times.

And yes of course there are just as many quotes which give the opposite view but there is no one definitive answer. But looking at the magazines racks in any supermarket, most if not of all which have digital copies, people do still like having a paper copy. I'm one of them as I find reading print versions easier to read.

People do have the option not to receive a paper copy of the club magazine yet only less than 2% (or just over3% of members households) choose to do so, perhaps that is more to do with wanting a paper copy than a saving? I would still want a paper copy.

Anyone have a data on the take up of the CCC digital subscription in relation to number of members?  

Also of course look at the complaints on here when a paper copy doesn't arrive or is late. And of course the club might lose revenue from advertising in the magazine.

 

Posted on 02/07/2024 11:37

Digital mmbership is not only about the magazine but handbooks etc as well. All the information is available on line anyway including the magazine

PD

DavidKlyne replied on 02/07/2024 11:40

Posted on 02/07/2024 10:18 by mickysf

Regarding water use and our guesses as to which sort of pitch uses the least it always amazes me as to the number of people, particularly motorhomers, who fill their water tanks to the brim on arrival and empty that unused on leaving. Same with a few caravaners dumping their aquarolls contents. I wonder how many litres are wasted across the network during a season. I bet it’s considerable.

Posted on 02/07/2024 11:40

I suspect in comparison with water use at home its a drop in the ocean if you will forgive the pun. It's impossible to calculate to the litre how much you will need during a stay. Certainly caravanners can put the excess to good use by emptying to water around a tree or in the bushes, after all its perfectly clean. Th explanation for some motorhomers emptying their water tanks on exit is simply I expect due to payload issues. A full 100 litre tank can be equal to a third of the payload on some motorhomes. Life is too short to micro manage everything you do!

David

peedee replied on 02/07/2024 12:20

Posted on 02/07/2024 12:20

If you read the article in the July magazine by Nick Lomas, on some Club sites provision is made for storage of left over fresh water and it is used for watering the sites anyway so I cannot see it makes much difference if it is just dumped.

peedee

mickysf replied on 02/07/2024 12:25

Posted on 02/07/2024 10:41 by Tinwheeler

Come on, Micky, you know assessing water usage isn’t an exact science so caravanners are almost bound to have left overs to dispose of. In a hot summer (remember them?) it was a way of watering grass and hedges so not a waste.

Similarly with MH tanks, it’s near impossible to estimate how much will be needed for a stay but I can’t understand why folk empty them. It’s something we’ve only done at the end of the season. Maybe those people bought vans with unfit for purpose payloads🤷🏻‍♂️.

Posted on 02/07/2024 12:25

I totally understand how that wastage happens but the point I was making was that this wastage must be quite significant across the network during a season. I thought that we were discussing little ways in which we could become more sustainable in these more informed days we live in. Afterall, that almost annual water shortage and associated restrictions may just be round the corner. May be we do need to think a little more about this very necessary commodity and how we use it. A main point of improving our sustainability is that every little helps isn’t it?

Tinwheeler replied on 02/07/2024 12:31

Posted on 02/07/2024 12:25 by mickysf

I totally understand how that wastage happens but the point I was making was that this wastage must be quite significant across the network during a season. I thought that we were discussing little ways in which we could become more sustainable in these more informed days we live in. Afterall, that almost annual water shortage and associated restrictions may just be round the corner. May be we do need to think a little more about this very necessary commodity and how we use it. A main point of improving our sustainability is that every little helps isn’t it?

Posted on 02/07/2024 12:31

But see PD's point above.

Perhaps it’s worth trying to persuade MH-ers not to empty their tanks🤷🏻‍♂️

In the SW we had a ‘hose pipe ban' for a year so I’m well aware of the existence of water shortages. Are you aware of the plans for a desalination plant in Cornwall? It’s all on the internet👍🏻

Hja replied on 02/07/2024 13:19

Posted on 02/07/2024 13:19

There are still those who promote the NEED to empty their tank after every trip in order to avoid all sorts of dreaded lurgies. We only empty our fresh tank at the end of the season or if not going away for a few weeks because the water can get stale. And then we don’t empty the boiler. We use tank water for everything.

mickysf replied on 02/07/2024 13:19

Posted on 02/07/2024 12:31 by Tinwheeler

But see PD's point above.

Perhaps it’s worth trying to persuade MH-ers not to empty their tanks🤷🏻‍♂️

In the SW we had a ‘hose pipe ban' for a year so I’m well aware of the existence of water shortages. Are you aware of the plans for a desalination plant in Cornwall? It’s all on the internet👍🏻

Posted on 02/07/2024 13:19

I got that too Tinny, regardless of being a caravaner, motorised or otherwise, we can all do a little bit better in our sustainability efforts can’t we?. As I said, every little helps and that’s central to the original post, isn't it? Good to see the club harvesting some rain water, they need to step this up!

I wasn’t aware of the Desal. Plant in Cornwall but even so our efforts to save water may reduce the need to use at least some energy in this process. Don’t start me on the waste and pollution the Water Companies themselves are causing, that’s really dreadful and we need to set the good example and force them to change their ways, promptly!

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