Formula One

cyberyacht replied on 28/03/2021 08:34

Posted on 28/03/2021 08:34

I know one swallow does not a summer make but, from yesterday's qualifying, it appears that it could all be a whole lot closer this year. Sad to see that Williams are still languishing as Tail End Charlie.

Tammygirl replied on 14/12/2021 12:13

Posted on 14/12/2021 09:58 by DavidKlyne

But, it was not the application or interpretation of the rules that saw LH beaten in the final lap it was the strategic error made by Mercedes for not changing his tyres. Had he had better tyres Max wouldn't have been able to overtake him so easily. So in my view Mercedes have to own up to making a major mistake. Even Damon Hill agrees with me!!! If the race had ended under the safety car, as it would have done if all lapped cars were allowed to pass you cans see the headlines, Another Boring Race, is F1 really worth bothering with?  No good for anyone including Mercedes. Michael Masi made a pragmatic decision to get rid of the cars between LH and Max so that we could at least have a race on the final lap. F1 always loses its appeal when you get a dominant team and the Race Directors intervention may have just saved F1. 

David

Posted on 14/12/2021 12:13

So saving F1 against bad press is all that mattered. That worked out well didn't it. 

Come off it DK, Hamilton was robbed of an 8th title which ever way you look at it.

It was absolutely the interpretation of the rules that decided the race and championship.

I wonder if your defense of what happened would be the same if you didn't have a son working for Red Bull undecided

DavidKlyne replied on 14/12/2021 12:22

Posted on 14/12/2021 12:22

Well this is what we have to look forward to next year, F1 2022 Car Always interesting when regulations change and we could see a shake up of the accepted order? Perhaps a current middle ranking team will find its way to the front. I am sure we all have our favourite team/driver but I think F1 needs more teams vying to win races to make it a real contest and add to the interest. 

David

Oneputt replied on 14/12/2021 12:29

Posted on 14/12/2021 12:29

Roll on 2022 and let’s see other drivers winning and gaining podium places.  

In my view 2021 has been just what F1 needed, a really good shake up after 6 years of relative boredom.  

SteveL replied on 14/12/2021 12:35

Posted on 14/12/2021 12:35

I don’t have any interests in either team. However, both drivers were worthy of the win, as has been demonstrated by their performances all season. Yes events transpired to aid MV, however that does not detract from the fact that his team played a blinder with their strategy and without that it wouldn’t of been possible for him to pass on the last lap. It wasn’t that easy even with almost brand new softs. The decision was made by MM within the latitude of what is currently allowed and I believe we should accept the decision and move on. I am sure regulations  will be changed / firmed up in the light of last weekend to make a repeat unlikely.

Bluemalaga replied on 14/12/2021 12:35

Posted on 14/12/2021 12:35

Not to sure how we got on to racism in the sport, but if we look at the "We race as one " played before each race and the banner and taking of the knee prior to each start this season, which to my recollection has never been booed as in other sports, the racism point is not appropriate.

Forty percent of next years races are in countries with majority non-white population which would not welcome a racist sport.

Again to my recollection Lewis Hamilton has been applauded, and rightly so, with great enthusiasm for many years in all his races up to the point where a genuine challenger emerged in the form of Rosberg and now Verstappen. In both seasons where the title was closely contested, Rosberg Hamilton and Verstappen were booed by fans after some races where a dubious manoeuvre cost their favoured driver points and positions. 

This season Max and Lewis have been booed by the opposition fans several times. Not because Max is white or Lewis Black.

DavidKlyne replied on 14/12/2021 12:46

Posted on 14/12/2021 12:13 by Tammygirl

So saving F1 against bad press is all that mattered. That worked out well didn't it. 

Come off it DK, Hamilton was robbed of an 8th title which ever way you look at it.

It was absolutely the interpretation of the rules that decided the race and championship.

I wonder if your defense of what happened would be the same if you didn't have a son working for Red Bull undecided

Posted on 14/12/2021 12:46

I fully accept that I want Red Bull to win. Am I biased, probably, not only because Simon works there but also because the team is based in MK. However the race official was put in a Judgement of Solomon position. Which ever way he went he would have been wrong in the eyes of many. As some of us have pointed out there was no need for Lewis to have lost that race, he was let down by his team, not the Race Director. I wonder if this is the reason the Mercedes Team are making all this fuss as a way of hiding their own short comings, and not the first time this season? At the time of the crash and when the safety car was employed Red Bull had no idea how the rest of the race would pan out, or even if it would restart or finish under the safety car. However they were brave enough to take a gamble and pit Max so he could cover any eventuality. It seems that Mercedes calculated that the race would not restart, especially if all lapped cars were let through. The Race Director didn't want it to finished that way so he made the decision that some are now questioning. 

JollyKernow replied on 14/12/2021 13:49

Posted on 14/12/2021 13:49

We all have our opinions on the outcome of the race but it's now history. Let's look forward to next year and a new breed of hybrid cars which will as mentioned above allow a wider spectrum of winners.

Did anyone notice in the post race interview with Lewis by Jenson, when he said about coming back fighting next year? I think Lewis responded with "if" there's a next year. I hope he doesn't retire as I think it will be another good fight with other drivers in the mix, George Russell certainly will rise to the challenge, along with hopefully Lando and Carlos. And just maybe Max will have matured a little more. 

He was still robbedwink

JK

bill replied on 14/12/2021 15:46

Posted on 14/12/2021 11:19 by Whittakerr

Heres a good article that discusses why the race director is clearly not up to the job.

I think the outcome of Sundays debacle is that MV will keep the title, (the FIA will never overrule themselves), Michael M will be replaced and the rules changed to become ambiguous.

 

Posted on 14/12/2021 15:46

What the point of having even more ambiguous rules !!

Tammygirl replied on 14/12/2021 16:35

Posted on 14/12/2021 16:35

It seems that Mercedes calculated that the race would not restart, especially if all lapped cars were let through. The Race Director didn't want it to finished that way so he made the decision that some are now questioning. 
  

That is the sticking point, had he followed the rules the race would have, should have ended under the safety car. "The race director didn't want it to finish that way" , so we just through the rule book away disgraceful. 

Tammygirl replied on 14/12/2021 16:42

Posted on 14/12/2021 16:42

And just maybe Max will have matured a little more.

One could hope but I doubt it he will be even more pig headed and arrogant after a period of publicity and praise. 

Looking forward to seeing the other new young drivers though Russell, Lando and Carlos here's hoping they give him a hard time. 

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