Formula One
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Whittakerr replied on 13/12/2021 15:48
Posted on 13/12/2021 11:47 by TammygirlI don't believe the best driver won, I believe he was just lucky. If the crash hadn't have happen there was no way he could have caught Lewis even with his fresh new tyres on.
Am I the only one who heard the race director ask Christian Horner what he wanted, I clearly heard him say what do you want, to finish the race under the safety car or let them unlap, then he bent the rules and only allowed the cars between the two to unlap. At this point Toto screamed No Micheal No.
If that's not giving it to Verstappen on a plate then I'm a China man
Lewis behaved like a true sportsman after the race unlike the spoiled brat Verstappen when things don't go his way.
I know in my eyes who the better driver and sportsman is.
Fozzie replied on 13/12/2021 16:12
Posted on 13/12/2021 16:12
I watch Motor racing but I do not follow Motor racing,and because of the significance of the race watched it.
I think there is a feeling that this race with all the final 10 minutes has just shot themselves in the foot with the way it was decided.
No blame to MV whatsever,but to decide an uneven race off for one lap,when LH had what a 12 second lead with 10 laps left,removing the cars in between the two which LH had passed, under the safety car, just gives the impression Michael Masi,lust had to make a quick decision,and got it wrong.
I think the FIA and the manufacturers will hope it will be quickly forgotten and move on to next season,because I think this has damaged motor racing image big time.
Kasspa replied on 13/12/2021 16:55
Posted on 13/12/2021 16:55
Christian Horner has 'whinged' ever since the last of Vettel's 4 on the bounce.....
It was OK when RB were dominant but not when Mercedes took over the reigns so to speak.
If the safety car was called with just 3 laps to go & not 5 what would he have done request to extend the race?
If the 'Article 48 Rules' had been followed he wouldn't have had an argument would he!
I'm looking forward to George Russell joining Mercedes as he proved last year in a one-off race & an 'ill fitting' car what he was capable of.....
Fingers crossed Lando Norris continues to progress with Maclaren too.... 3 x Brits
FIA elections soon, let's hope they appoint a new knowledgeable Race Director.
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DavidKlyne replied on 13/12/2021 20:53
Posted on 13/12/2021 20:53
One does wonder if it have been two non British drivers involved in the exact same scenario whether we would have all the fuss and bother we have had over the last 24 hours from the British press? Whilst neither Mercedes or Red Bull are British owned they do between them employ about 2000 British people in highly skilled and highly paid jobs so regardless of outcome its a win win situation for this Country. With Channel Four (paying I assume) for the live broadcast the normal F1 audience doubled to 7.4 million viewers. The race provided everything, excited expectation, jeopardy and a twist at the end, what more could people want
David
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peedee replied on 13/12/2021 20:59
Posted on 13/12/2021 20:59
Incidents always happen in any sport, its all part of the attraction, but to engineer a one lap race, by only letting some lapped cars to un-lap themselves contra to the regulations, which of course meant that Max was directly behind Lewis, and then not run another lap behind the safety car as the rules state, clearly shows that someone wanted a new champion.
So if the race had been 59 laps and the rules had been followed,i.e. the 58th lap had been behind the safety car what would have been the outcome?
They both deserved the championship, the luck happened to be on Vestappen's side this time around.
peedee
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peedee replied on 13/12/2021 21:07
Posted on 12/12/2021 20:46 by BluemalagaFully agree that Lewis showed great dignity tonight, however Mercedes not so much.
They were more than happy on a number of occasions this season when decisions went in their favour. Such as the Turkey race when Lewis was not only able to change tyres but also unlap himself which gained him 10 points and no action when Lewis punted Max into the barriers at Silverstone, a race Lewis went on to win and cost Max engine penalties at the next race.
Most decisions have favoured Lewis this season.
As Lewis got away with passing while off the track on the first lap, you could say the decisions were balanced.
I do not believe it is mandated in the rules to allow lapped cars to pass the safety car and cannot understand why while on track work is taking place that they do not just allow lapped cars to drop back to the rear of the pack on the clear parts of the track.
It has been the norm for many years to move lapped cars from between the leader and the next cars on the same lap. A situation that has been to the benefit of Lewis in past.
Posted on 13/12/2021 21:07
100 percent agree. It was disappointing to witness Max's conduct after the Saudi result. I. cannot imagine it enhanced his reputation. All drivers do things in the heat of the moment which they no doubt live to regret. Hamilton has an older head and experience to rely on
peedee
Oneputt replied on 13/12/2021 21:55
Posted on 13/12/2021 21:55
think the FIA and the manufacturers will hope it will be quickly forgotten and move on to next season,because I think this has damaged motor racing image big time.
We Brits aren’t the only people that follow/support F1 so although Hamilton fans in the U.K. will feel aggrieved I suspect many millions in other countries will probably be delighted so I don’t think F1’s image will be damaged
Whittakerr replied on 13/12/2021 22:08
Posted on 13/12/2021 20:53 by DavidKlyneOne does wonder if it have been two non British drivers involved in the exact same scenario whether we would have all the fuss and bother we have had over the last 24 hours from the British press? Whilst neither Mercedes or Red Bull are British owned they do between them employ about 2000 British people in highly skilled and highly paid jobs so regardless of outcome its a win win situation for this Country. With Channel Four (paying I assume) for the live broadcast the normal F1 audience doubled to 7.4 million viewers. The race provided everything, excited expectation, jeopardy and a twist at the end, what more could people want
David
DavidKlyne replied on 14/12/2021 09:58
Posted on 13/12/2021 22:08 by WhittakerrThe race provided everything, excited expectation, jeopardy and a twist at the end, what more could people want.
Just the rules applied correctly and fairly. Is that too much to ask.
Posted on 14/12/2021 09:58
But, it was not the application or interpretation of the rules that saw LH beaten in the final lap it was the strategic error made by Mercedes for not changing his tyres. Had he had better tyres Max wouldn't have been able to overtake him so easily. So in my view Mercedes have to own up to making a major mistake. Even Damon Hill agrees with me!!! If the race had ended under the safety car, as it would have done if all lapped cars were allowed to pass you cans see the headlines, Another Boring Race, is F1 really worth bothering with? No good for anyone including Mercedes. Michael Masi made a pragmatic decision to get rid of the cars between LH and Max so that we could at least have a race on the final lap. F1 always loses its appeal when you get a dominant team and the Race Directors intervention may have just saved F1.
David
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bill replied on 14/12/2021 10:11
Posted on 13/12/2021 22:08 by WhittakerrThe race provided everything, excited expectation, jeopardy and a twist at the end, what more could people want.
Just the rules applied correctly and fairly. Is that too much to ask.
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