COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked

In the vast majority of locations there are a number of alternative stores which they could use.

You may suggest that a store may lose customers with this stance but I believe they would gain more than they lose. We rarely shop in a store these days but, on the odd occasion we do, we invariably see non wearers. I believe the health of the majority of law abiding shoppers is more important than the rights of the minority of non wearers even if a percentage of those non wearers has a genuine reason. No wonder the cases of Covid are so high when this flagrant breach of safety advice is  likely to be throughout the country.

obviously we differ in language usage but no matter

We have had one home delivery of food, and 2 click and collect, all before summer.  The only shop we could get slots with was Waitrose.  The spend required there, for both delivery and click and collect, and their rather higher prices, means that we only shop there very occasionally even in normal times.

As there are only the 2 of us to cater for, we also found it difficult to deal with so much food at one time, and OH much prefers to choose her own items, so we  shop once a week at one of our local supermarkets, the closest of which is Tesco, and any top ups of things like milk we get at the small Lidl store close to our home.

KJ

As pointed out by Brue the minimum spend at Waitrose is now only £40 which I would have thought most people could manage as a weekly spend, or even fortnightly. I just wish we could get down to double that figure each week The previous £60 minimum spend was dictated by Ocado but now they are free of that restriction. Given your age,personally I would not want to be going to supermarkets in person in current conditions and if it meant spending a few more pennies on food I would have thought that a worthwhile investment? Doesn't have to be Waitrose but anywhere you can get a delivery would be better than going in person. JVB mentioned Iceland, I think they have an even lower minimum spend and they cover most of the basics. The less contact you have with the outside world the better, at least until you have been vaccinated.

David

I fully agree Mikey.

Our local hill, Moel Fammau, is in the news again. Over 100 cars found in the "closed" carparks by lunchtime today by the police. As far as I'm concerned they should clamp the lot of them and substantially increase the measly fines handed out.

Idiots from as far afield as Leicestershire found trying to gain access to Snowdon today. Lockdown, as Husky said in a previous post, should mean lockdown, not an excuse to do what you want and bugger evetyone else.

Do these alternative stores not generally also require a mask? 

In the vast majority of locations there are a number of alternative stores which they could use

Sorry that does not make sense, you posted

No Mask, No Entry, No Excuses, Go elsewhere 

So if all shops said that, where are these alternative stores? And you didn't say only certain shops would have this sign?

You may suggest...

I would suggest not anything like that. The only point is that there are valid medical excuses, reasons, exemptions that permit people not to wear a mask. People need to shop and saying some can't based that they have medical reason is plain wrong, my only 'suggestion' is let them. 

I believe the health of the majority of law abiding shoppers is more important than the rights of the minority of non wearers even if a percentage of those non wearers has a genuine reason.

Are you saying here that you would not allow someone with a genuine reason to shop? Really?

If there is a medical or other genuine reason/excuse then they are allowed. That is the end of it really.

You are right it doesn't matter about us it is what is in the guidelines and rules that matter ET:

There are some places where you must wear a face covering by law, unless you are exempt or have a reasonable excuse

Yes of course they should/will but those shops may accept law breakers, it doesn't mean that all shops should do. If Asda said no one allowed without masks I cannot see their sales going down but will more likely increase. How  Tesco /Lidl respond is up to them.

An alternative idea may be that  shops could advertise  that those unable to wear masks only accepted  between 8.00 - 9,00am and the same pm.

Once again Boris has come up with a rule that only the law abiding and those who are unable to wear a mask will follow whilst the law breakers will carry on with impunity. He should have insisted that all who have a genuine reason for no wearing should get a doctors note. Our doctors ( which is adjacent to the chemist ) is probably running at 10% business so no reason why a certificate could not be issued.

you really would stop those with genuine medical reasons not to wear a mask not to shop then? Sales might not go down but those affected people people suffer?

Again it is not against the law if you are exempt.

And to force such people to only shop at one time?

 If all stores advised no mask no entry unless Valid evidential reason (snowimilar to  bus passes with a photo) I can see the hand wringingid cards seemed to work in ww2 and this situation is as bad (still got mine)       ,i would expect a much bigger uptake of compliance with what is ordered by HMG and a safer enviroment for others ,