COVID - general discussion - Temp Locked

Tinwheeler replied on 09/01/2021 16:12

Posted on 09/01/2021 16:12

Re Ronhub's experience with shoppers not wearing masks.

I think RH's experience voices eloquently a reason shops cannot enforce the law. Employers certainly have a duty of care to their staff and customers and, if any were injured when challenging unmasked customers, there would be court cases a plenty. This doesn't excuse the law breakers but I think shows how unworkable the situation is.

It was made clear by the Govt from the start that shopkeepers would not be expected to police the law. Promoting compliance is what many already do but if people choose to do otherwise, it needs a police officer to deal with the situation.

 

(Good move, WN, in copying RH's post here.)

Tammygirl replied on 09/01/2021 16:33

Posted on 09/01/2021 16:33

The main supermarkets we have Tesco, Asda, Morrisons, Lidl and Aldi all have traffic light system at the doors, so no staff maning it now. The M&S food hall shop has a man on the door there are always queues there. Before Christmas they put up a marquee type cover for them to queue in.

The majority of shoppers and staff do wear masks or face shields. We have seen some families still shopping together. All shops have sanitisers for hands and trolleys. Haven't been in many small shops as I can't be bothered to queue.

The FM said the other day that they were looking at tightening the lockdown and was considering stopping some of the click and collect services, though not the food ones. It was also hinted that some of the take aways could be stopped.

Considering the time of year and the freezing weather we have had you would think folk would be quite happy to stay at home.

KjellNN replied on 09/01/2021 16:37

Posted on 09/01/2021 15:26 by Goldie146

Anything we need (apart from food - which is click and collect) we buy online. I’m sure there are sites that sell children’s clothing. 

Posted on 09/01/2021 16:37

I am sure there are, and we too usually shop for non food items on  line or using click and collect.

However, on this occasion OH was there for food items anyway, and in this case, as the children's clothes department is right at the front of the store, no extra supermarket paces were required to pick up the pack while walking through to the food area.

Having bought a pack a couple of months back, she knew exactly where to find them.

We have had one home delivery of food, and 2 click and collect, all before summer.  The only shop we could get slots with was Waitrose.  The spend required there, for both delivery and click and collect, and their rather higher prices, means that we only shop there very occasionally even in normal times.

As there are only the 2 of us to cater for, we also found it difficult to deal with so much food at one time, and OH much prefers to choose her own items, so we  shop once a week at one of our local supermarkets, the closest of which is Tesco, and any top ups of things like milk we get at the small Lidl store close to our home.

Compo replied on 09/01/2021 17:17

Posted on 09/01/2021 15:03 by Wherenext

The following post was made by member Ronhub, who had this this post locked by a Mod and asked by the Mod to repost here. He has requested that the Mod do this but I have done it for him. These are not necessarily my views but I do have a great deal of empathy with the sentiments.

Today, I did my weekly early-morning shop at my local supermarket and had a confrontation with two men who were not wearing masks. I politely asked them to put one on and received verbal abuse in return. This is not the first time this has happened, though not at this shop. Several members of staff positioned themselves between myself, another shopper who had joined in, and the two men, who were served as quickly as possible and ushered off the premises. I am very confident that neither of them would have any sort of exemption. 
A senior member of staff informed me that they had been instructed not to confront maskless shoppers, nor to refuse them entry or serve them.  

The news on COVID-19 infections is dire just at the moment and the situation is obviously getting steadily worse. The law about face coverings is clear and it is a criminal offence not to wear one in a shop. In addition, ‘premises where face coverings are required should take reasonable steps to promote compliance with the law’.  

Surely the supermarket has a duty of care to its staff and customers to enforce this law? Is instructing staff to do virtually nothing taking reasonable steps? Is is beyond the capability of the supermarket to identify these people using CCTV, credit card details or car registrations, and pass their details onto the police? Contrast this situation to the two women who were fined for going a walk last week.  

Three of my immediate family are NHS frontline workers and their experiences are horrendous, although I don’t think they tell us the half of it. I feel compelled to confront these idiots on my family’s behalf and on behalf of other NHS workers. 

Posted on 09/01/2021 17:17

I agree with Ronhub that stores could do more to enforce the law re mask wearing in their premises. They manage to employ security to enforce the law on shoplifting so why not to enforce the law re mask wearing. It may need the law to change to carry it out, but I don't see that as being a big problem.

Tinwheeler replied on 09/01/2021 17:37

Posted on 09/01/2021 17:17 by Compo

I agree with Ronhub that stores could do more to enforce the law re mask wearing in their premises. They manage to employ security to enforce the law on shoplifting so why not to enforce the law re mask wearing. It may need the law to change to carry it out, but I don't see that as being a big problem.

Posted on 09/01/2021 17:37

"Wanted. Security staff for xyz supermarkets. Must be prepared to tackle aggressive people refusing to wear masks in shops".

Cornersteady replied on 09/01/2021 17:45

Posted on 09/01/2021 17:45

Police arrest 12 at Clapham Common anti-lockdown protest

These are the people the police and the courts should be heavy handed on, not walkers a few miles from home in Derbyshire.

brue replied on 09/01/2021 17:51

Posted on 09/01/2021 16:37 by KjellNN

I am sure there are, and we too usually shop for non food items on  line or using click and collect.

However, on this occasion OH was there for food items anyway, and in this case, as the children's clothes department is right at the front of the store, no extra supermarket paces were required to pick up the pack while walking through to the food area.

Having bought a pack a couple of months back, she knew exactly where to find them.

We have had one home delivery of food, and 2 click and collect, all before summer.  The only shop we could get slots with was Waitrose.  The spend required there, for both delivery and click and collect, and their rather higher prices, means that we only shop there very occasionally even in normal times.

As there are only the 2 of us to cater for, we also found it difficult to deal with so much food at one time, and OH much prefers to choose her own items, so we  shop once a week at one of our local supermarkets, the closest of which is Tesco, and any top ups of things like milk we get at the small Lidl store close to our home.

Posted on 09/01/2021 17:51

Waitrose don't charge KJ and their minimum order is now £40, so not too bad. Things have changed. smile

brue replied on 09/01/2021 18:03

Posted on 09/01/2021 18:03

To be honest, in this present dire situation if you can get a delivery slot somewhere you'll be avoiding the increased chances of getting Covid in an enclosed space.

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