When is a rule not a rule?

Bazdownes replied on 19/04/2022 17:15

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Posted on 19/04/2022 17:15

Just got back from Cromer Seacroft site where there are two notices at the entry stating “Sorry no arrivals before 1.00pm”. However on at least two occasions we witnessed people, not only arriving before 1.00pm but being booked in and allowed on site, why do I bother timing my journeys and / or stopping in lay-bys to ensure I arrive after the advertised time when the rule is so blatantly ignored by others (including the wardens who allow it to happen)? 🤬

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huskydog replied on 11/05/2022 17:48

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Posted on 11/05/2022 17:30 by Cornersteady

Well it has been posted that the 12 pm arrival time is still being shown on both not only by a serving warden and by a recent poster I think?

Even if it's only shown on one then I think it's only fair to let them on as I must admit I don't tend to look at the reminder emails in any detail, in fact I got one today Hurray - your pitch awaits. I would imagine that perhaps new members might but those like me wouldn't.

I've just looked and one have to scroll down quite a bit to see the (correct) arrival time on today's, but then I read it here but not all those staying on club sites read CT, very few I would think.

Either way soon being let on early won't be allowed.

Posted on 11/05/2022 17:48

Let’s hope that when the 1pm time is official then the wardens implement that time and stick to it and don’t get bullied in letting members on early just to have an easy life

NutsyH replied on 11/05/2022 18:18

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Posted on 11/05/2022 17:45 by Tinwheeler

They obviously find it beneficial for operational reasons which, in the long run, is for the good of us all. That isn’t tail wagging the dog, which term, btw, is very unflattering to the site staff.

You've had a response from the club and, to be perfectly honest, I can’t see what your issue is with it but you know how to go about requesting change.

Posted on 11/05/2022 18:18

Bear in mind that the departure time has been altered from 11.00 to 12.00 noon. So I am on my pitch, in process of packing up. It's 11.00am. Some clown arrives early, site is full. Am I expected to suddenly leave to make room for said clown?

HarryTheHymer replied on 11/05/2022 18:35

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Posted on 11/05/2022 17:45 by Tinwheeler

They obviously find it beneficial for operational reasons which, in the long run, is for the good of us all. That isn’t tail wagging the dog, which term, btw, is very unflattering to the site staff.

You've had a response from the club and, to be perfectly honest, I can’t see what your issue is with it but you know how to go about requesting change.

Posted on 11/05/2022 18:35

But we’re a ‘club’, surely it’s only right the tail should be wagging the dog it owns?

EmilysDad replied on 11/05/2022 18:39

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Posted on 11/05/2022 10:10 by SteveL

My main point is on whose behalf is the club run for and the decision to alter arrival times was made without any consultation. The point I have already made is we are customers as well as members!

Tescos didn’t consult me when they changed there opening times recently and I spend a lot more money with them than I do with the club. I’m not sure why any organisation, even a club needs to do so. Clearly it was for operational reasons. I suppose as with Tesco if I don’t like it, I am free to take my business elsewhere. That’s of course if you can find a site that allows access before 1pm.

Posted on 11/05/2022 18:39

But you don't pay a subscription to shop at Tesco ....

Tinwheeler replied on 11/05/2022 18:47

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Posted on 11/05/2022 18:35 by HarryTheHymer

But we’re a ‘club’, surely it’s only right the tail should be wagging the dog it owns?

Posted on 11/05/2022 18:47

The way I read it, Blue considers the wardens to be the tail 🤷🏻‍♂️. As for 'club', I think we’ve covered that.🙄

Cornersteady replied on 11/05/2022 18:53

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Posted on 11/05/2022 17:48 by huskydog

Let’s hope that when the 1pm time is official then the wardens implement that time and stick to it and don’t get bullied in letting members on early just to have an easy life

Posted on 11/05/2022 18:53

Agree with that entirely and someone did post upthread that they had been turned away.

Cornersteady replied on 11/05/2022 19:07

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Posted on 11/05/2022 17:33 by blue

My complaint ( which I have been directly in contact with the club sites dept) is not about the enforcement of arrival time but the alteration of it from 12 md to 1pm across the network. This was initially done for deep cleaning during Covid. For 35 years before this wardens managed to carry out their duties and open up for 12 md, so why do they now need to delay opening until 1 pm now Covid restrictions are over?According to correspondence with the club it is purely down to what the wardens want. If this is the case the tail is wagging the dog. That is why I posted in the first place.

Posted on 11/05/2022 19:07

I don't think it's anything to do with Covid being over, it is about listening to site wardens and taking their views into account. It may have been a big strain to keep things as they were, two examples might show this.

On a single set of warden site I use the office was closed till 12 as the toilets had to be cleaned. The wardens would have to ensure they did that by 12 and I did see a few times they made it back to the office to book in new arrivals just in time but often they did it with about 10 minutes to spare, I have no idea when they had any lunch?

On another large site Seacroft, whenever an outfit left before 12 a set of wardens would come along and do any jobs around the pitch and they had to do that before 12, of course if everyone left at 12 there would be no time to do that. Now they will have time to do that a little easier.

Members and wardens are part of the 'team' if you will, one of those circle of life things, without us there would be no wardens, without good wardens there wouldn't be such a good club as there is now. It's no good having disgruntled wardens. The club has a duty of care to wardens as well.

Let the wardens have this hour and perhaps their lunch, it really doesn't impact on anything really.

But if you find this loss of this hour too much then use a different provider though there aren't that many I would imagine that have arrivals earlier?

The club has made it's decision live with it.

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blue replied on 11/05/2022 19:15

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Posted on 11/05/2022 18:47 by Tinwheeler

The way I read it, Blue considers the wardens to be the tail 🤷🏻‍♂️. As for 'club', I think we’ve covered that.🙄

Posted on 11/05/2022 19:15

Yes I was referring to the wardens as the tail of the dog, my point being, if the reason the arrival time has been put back to 1 pm is only for the wardens convenience, that is just wrong. They are employed by the club and it is not for them to dictate policy. I do not in anyway decry the job they do but they are employees and the club should be doing what’s right and reasonable for the customer…. us members.

Tinwheeler replied on 11/05/2022 19:52

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Posted on 11/05/2022 19:15 by blue

Yes I was referring to the wardens as the tail of the dog, my point being, if the reason the arrival time has been put back to 1 pm is only for the wardens convenience, that is just wrong. They are employed by the club and it is not for them to dictate policy. I do not in anyway decry the job they do but they are employees and the club should be doing what’s right and reasonable for the customer…. us members.

Posted on 11/05/2022 19:52

Then tell CAMC that. There’s nothing we can do and I keep telling you the best way to address the issue. Anyway, I don’t think I agree with your summary of the situation.

PS. Corners has put it very well and I think "live with it" is the sensible option.