Non-electric pitches

meandmillie replied on 28/09/2022 17:16

Posted on 28/09/2022 17:16

I've been a member for 32 years caravaner family grown up and widowed I bought a small campervan last year it's been fun and I've been out a lot this year and I've tried to book sites without electricity can manage easily with a solar panel the club doesn't provide many sites without hook up what's your opinion please.

 

Takethedogalong replied on 02/10/2022 10:43

Posted on 02/10/2022 10:43

Yes, like spending £5.7 million on a new booking system………

The Club had the opportunity to include some new metered bollards at recently refurbished Clumber Park. But they opted for Premium pitches instead. It’s all about raking in as much money as possible, and they have a Membership happy to endorse this if it means they can park up bright shiny new top of range outfits with little or no effort. It was full of huge top end MHs when we stayed, hadn’t seen that many £100,000+ models outside of a show. All plugged in, humming away merrily. 

JVB66 replied on 02/10/2022 10:47

Posted on 01/10/2022 15:14 by Hja

And this would indicate that the Club were really encompassing motorhomes into membership. I appreciate many motorhomes do want ehu but many don’t, especially now many new vans come with lithium batteries.

Posted on 02/10/2022 10:47

Lithium batteries are also now available for caravans as the are lighter so so not eat up so much load margins wink

Cornersteady replied on 02/10/2022 10:48

Posted on 02/10/2022 09:58 by Graydjames

Did the club change? Has there ever been a time when the club did not accept motor caravans or motorhomes or campervans or Dormobiles or whatever description you wish to give motorised caravans? Were they not accepted from the moment they existed? 

I do not know the answer to be honest.

But I do remember, as I think I have said before in this place, ringing the club in 1987 to check that motor caravans (as most called them in those days) were allowed on sites, because it was not obvious at that time. The response was - of course they are allowed!

The name change is an entirely different matter. Motorhomes were "encompassed" well before then and the alteration in nomenclature was 30 years too late in my view; by that time, it was entirely unnecessary! Moreover, I still prefer the former graphic design. 

Returning to the original theme, I would never go without electric; but that is my personal modus operandi and I know that some want the option; I wonder, honestly though, how many, as a proportion, especially among those who favour club sites. 

If the club paid for metering (I'd love to know the cost; with 20,000 pitches, it surely is several million, perhaps well into eight digits [pure guess]), the difficulty is recovering that cost; this is especially so if you do them all (as Peedee suggests), but then some people don't use them. You'd have to put the pitch fee up to recover the fixed cost and that will make pitches even more expensive for those who don't want electric. I reckon it is a very thorny problem for the club. 

I cannot see that a higher electric cost changes the incentive to install meters though, as DK suggests. The club must know the average electric usage and this must be costed into pitch prices. How much of that price is attributable to the electric usage doesn't really change anything. The driver for meters is a greener planet and satisfying those who think the current system is unfair. When you realise that, you realise what a huge decision it is for the club. It should be done, but I don't envy them having to make the decision.       

Too many people think it's simple. It isn't!

Posted on 02/10/2022 10:48

Good post GJ, and I think that those that use club sites, both MH and caravans, are like you (and me) who want EHU, if they didn't I can't see why they come to club sites when there is almost always an alternative nearby.

The 'green' issue is a different matter and to me may have a more important role to play with meters, but, and I've said this before, do people have the same view about all inclusive holidays, or hotels, B&B, and holiday lets... that have inclusive chagres for energy? I often wonder which uses the greater amount of electricity a campsite or a large hotel?

Yet I haven't seen anyone asking for meters in individual rooms or in such places?

JVB66 replied on 02/10/2022 10:50

Posted on 02/10/2022 10:43 by Takethedogalong

Yes, like spending £5.7 million on a new booking system………

The Club had the opportunity to include some new metered bollards at recently refurbished Clumber Park. But they opted for Premium pitches instead. It’s all about raking in as much money as possible, and they have a Membership happy to endorse this if it means they can park up bright shiny new top of range outfits with little or no effort. It was full of huge top end MHs when we stayed, hadn’t seen that many £100,000+ models outside of a show. All plugged in, humming away merrily. 

Posted on 02/10/2022 10:50

And that is the rub  where do the club's invest money ,?

Takethedogalong replied on 02/10/2022 11:05

Posted on 02/10/2022 11:05

Catch 22. The money is with its ageing, utility/facility dependent, happy to sit around on site a lot Core membership, mainly in expensive outfits. So that’s where the money goes. But is it future proof, particularly given how the economy is heading at the moment?  Younger potential members might not need so much, and hence are looking elsewhere and making their money go further. Certainly that’s what our younger family tell us. In fact, it’s actually what we do. 

Navigateur replied on 02/10/2022 11:08

Posted on 02/10/2022 11:08

Here is an heretical out-of-box idea for us on CT To discuss (The Club will, of course, take absolutely no notice).

Simply, we devise a way that each potential site user provides their own meter (and up-to-date certificate of accuracy).  We already have to provide the hook-up cable anyway.

Using wireless (not necessarily wifi) technology the meter unit could register with a central control box on site and provide consumption information.  The Caravan Club would have to fund these control units but that would be a mere bagatell compared to the money wasted on rebranding and the current (non)booking fiasco. Biggest issue I see is people trying to defraud the system but you chaps out there may see a way to control that.

Tinwheeler replied on 02/10/2022 11:15

Posted on 02/10/2022 11:08 by Navigateur

Here is an heretical out-of-box idea for us on CT To discuss (The Club will, of course, take absolutely no notice).

Simply, we devise a way that each potential site user provides their own meter (and up-to-date certificate of accuracy).  We already have to provide the hook-up cable anyway.

Using wireless (not necessarily wifi) technology the meter unit could register with a central control box on site and provide consumption information.  The Caravan Club would have to fund these control units but that would be a mere bagatell compared to the money wasted on rebranding and the current (non)booking fiasco. Biggest issue I see is people trying to defraud the system but you chaps out there may see a way to control that.

Posted on 02/10/2022 11:15

I guess you could cut the grass and clean the facility block as well to save the club money, Nav.

Cornersteady replied on 02/10/2022 11:18

Posted on 02/10/2022 10:43 by Takethedogalong

Yes, like spending £5.7 million on a new booking system………

The Club had the opportunity to include some new metered bollards at recently refurbished Clumber Park. But they opted for Premium pitches instead. It’s all about raking in as much money as possible, and they have a Membership happy to endorse this if it means they can park up bright shiny new top of range outfits with little or no effort. It was full of huge top end MHs when we stayed, hadn’t seen that many £100,000+ models outside of a show. All plugged in, humming away merrily. 

Posted on 02/10/2022 11:18

Yes but the new booking system, although useless/difficult/complicated/... (delete or insert as appropriate and I'm not a fan) could be said to or justified by

a) give people what the have been asking for in terms of pitch choice and deposits?

b) every so often things like this have to bought otherwise we'd all be using outdated and slow software. I've not really looked into the costs but was it all on the software? 

It could also be said that the new system is actually a nice little earner for the club, not up to paying for itself but I've paid out about £150 in deposits this past week, that is money upfront that the club has in its bank account which I assume they'll get some interest on or use it for cashflow?

I think I'm pretty average so I wonder how many people have done the same over the last few weeks especially for a long two weeks summer holiday? I've just looked at Seacroft and from 1st July to 25th August  it is practically all 'lows' (and I assume that still means five pitches or less left) so a lot of deposits paid up front.

Personally I can't see anything wrong with the club making as much money as possible from those willing to pay it. If the demand is there, and it is, then go for it. Yes I know shame on me for being such a capitalist but I'll just have to live with that.

Takethedogalong replied on 02/10/2022 11:20

Posted on 02/10/2022 11:20

To be honest Nav, I find it personally irritating that you cannot be offered an existing pitch at a reduced rate if you don’t hook up. The cry will go up that “people will thieve”, but we know this model exists and we have happily used it down the years.

It’s only on here that we would be considered as potential thieves, no matter that a bright coloured cable would be a dead give away.

A simple designation of certain pitches (another coloured post🤣) as “choice” and staff walking the site as they do would solve most problems. Anyone found transgressing, instant kick out of Club with no refunds.

hastghyll replied on 02/10/2022 11:29

Posted on 02/10/2022 11:29

In May I stayed on a commercial site near Buxton. Whilst the hardstandings were all inclusive of electric, the grass camping pitches were not. If you wanted electric you purchased a pre payment card to put in a meter which would then allow you to use electric. At the end of your stay you put the card back in and it was credited with whatever hadn't been used. This was refunded by the site. The site was on a farm and it was clearly cost effective for them to install. Maybe not as expensive as CMC claim.

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