Posted on 28/09/2022 17:16
I've been a member for 32 years caravaner family grown up and widowed I bought a small campervan last year it's been fun and I've been out a lot this year and I've tried to book sites without electricity can manage easily with a solar panel the club doesn't provide many sites without hook up what's your opinion please.
Posted on 01/10/2022 15:14 by HjaAnd this would indicate that the Club were really encompassing motorhomes into membership. I appreciate many motorhomes do want ehu but many don’t, especially now many new vans come with lithium batteries.
Posted on 02/10/2022 09:05
As mentioned before the reason the club changed to encompass motor caravans was because of the growth in motor caravan owners no other reasonan
As the camping club changed its name to the caravan and camping club because caravan owners were becoming more prevalent
Posted on 01/10/2022 16:38 by billnkWe have just been informed that a small commercial site we're using next year has reduced the pitch price by a couple of £s per night but have introduced a (pre?)-pay card to access the electricity. Presumably this is something like the pay as you go energy keys, not sure what will happen with any credit you're left with. A fair way would be to only charge you for what you have used. As a small site I doubt he was able to invest heavily in the change so it seems it can be done for a small modification to the hook up post I guess.
Not sure of the details yet or how it will work but will find out soon enough. Doesn't trouble me as it will make us more economical with electric usage which is a good thing all round.
Might be the future if people want the benefit of decent pitches but want to consume as little as possible in way of utilities. I doubt C&MC will go that way though, 1 - the cost to change the whole network, 2 - would put a dent in their costings for pitch revenue. Who knows, everyone has their limits and energy costs only going one way might force the issue.
Posted on 02/10/2022 08:37 by brueMy apologies I'd forgotten the details about the campervan in the OP and just looked at the member details so was confused myself. So many overnight stops are not for caravans it's easy to forget.
Posted on 02/10/2022 09:34
No problem brue, I usually notice the avatar first🙂
Forestry Scotland allows caravan stop overs in some of its car parks, we shared with a caravan back in May. No all though, you need to check. More to do with space and access I think for such long combo’s.
Posted on 02/10/2022 09:05 by JVB66As mentioned before the reason the club changed to encompass motor caravans was because of the growth in motor caravan owners no other reasonan
As the camping club changed its name to the caravan and camping club because caravan owners were becoming more prevalent
Posted on 02/10/2022 09:58
Did the club change? Has there ever been a time when the club did not accept motor caravans or motorhomes or campervans or Dormobiles or whatever description you wish to give motorised caravans? Were they not accepted from the moment they existed?
I do not know the answer to be honest.
But I do remember, as I think I have said before in this place, ringing the club in 1987 to check that motor caravans (as most called them in those days) were allowed on sites, because it was not obvious at that time. The response was - of course they are allowed!
The name change is an entirely different matter. Motorhomes were "encompassed" well before then and the alteration in nomenclature was 30 years too late in my view; by that time, it was entirely unnecessary! Moreover, I still prefer the former graphic design.
Returning to the original theme, I would never go without electric; but that is my personal modus operandi and I know that some want the option; I wonder, honestly though, how many, as a proportion, especially among those who favour club sites.
If the club paid for metering (I'd love to know the cost; with 20,000 pitches, it surely is several million, perhaps well into eight digits [pure guess]), the difficulty is recovering that cost; this is especially so if you do them all (as Peedee suggests), but then some people don't use them. You'd have to put the pitch fee up to recover the fixed cost and that will make pitches even more expensive for those who don't want electric. I reckon it is a very thorny problem for the club.
I cannot see that a higher electric cost changes the incentive to install meters though, as DK suggests. The club must know the average electric usage and this must be costed into pitch prices. How much of that price is attributable to the electric usage doesn't really change anything. The driver for meters is a greener planet and satisfying those who think the current system is unfair. When you realise that, you realise what a huge decision it is for the club. It should be done, but I don't envy them having to make the decision.
Too many people think it's simple. It isn't!
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Posted on 02/10/2022 09:58 by GraydjamesDid the club change? Has there ever been a time when the club did not accept motor caravans or motorhomes or campervans or Dormobiles or whatever description you wish to give motorised caravans? Were they not accepted from the moment they existed?
I do not know the answer to be honest.
But I do remember, as I think I have said before in this place, ringing the club in 1987 to check that motor caravans (as most called them in those days) were allowed on sites, because it was not obvious at that time. The response was - of course they are allowed!
The name change is an entirely different matter. Motorhomes were "encompassed" well before then and the alteration in nomenclature was 30 years too late in my view; by that time, it was entirely unnecessary! Moreover, I still prefer the former graphic design.
Returning to the original theme, I would never go without electric; but that is my personal modus operandi and I know that some want the option; I wonder, honestly though, how many, as a proportion, especially among those who favour club sites.
If the club paid for metering (I'd love to know the cost; with 20,000 pitches, it surely is several million, perhaps well into eight digits [pure guess]) the difficulty is recovering that cost, especially if you do them all (as Peedee suggests), but then some people don't use them. You'd have to put the pitch fee up to recover the fixed cost and that will make pitches even more expensive for those who don't want electric. I reckon it is a very thorny problem for the club.
I cannot see that a higher electric cost changes the incentive to install meters though, as DK suggests. The club must know the average electric usage and this must be costed into pitch prices. How much of that price is attributable to the electric usage doesn't really change anything. The driver for meters is a greener planet and satisfying those who think the current system is unfair. When you realise that, you realise what a huge decision it is for the club. It should be done, but I don't envy them having to make the decision.
Too many people think it's simple. It isn't.
Posted on 02/10/2022 10:06
I agree motor caravans although a rare commodity when I first joined the caravan club were seen on sites
And looking at any V5 documents it will probably class the vehicle as a motor caravan the legal description the word motorhome is just marketing speak
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Posted on 02/10/2022 10:13
We joined Caravan Club in 1983 with a camper van. It was obvious to us at the time that they were allowed, just as we were aware some sites allowed tent camping.
We would use eco/metered pitches on Club Sites if they gave enough of a discount, but they don’t. So we use CLs and alternatives. Our next two tour nights will be hook up free. One night is actually free, the other is £8 going to charity.
Posted on 02/10/2022 09:58 by GraydjamesDid the club change? Has there ever been a time when the club did not accept motor caravans or motorhomes or campervans or Dormobiles or whatever description you wish to give motorised caravans? Were they not accepted from the moment they existed?
I do not know the answer to be honest.
But I do remember, as I think I have said before in this place, ringing the club in 1987 to check that motor caravans (as most called them in those days) were allowed on sites, because it was not obvious at that time. The response was - of course they are allowed!
The name change is an entirely different matter. Motorhomes were "encompassed" well before then and the alteration in nomenclature was 30 years too late in my view; by that time, it was entirely unnecessary! Moreover, I still prefer the former graphic design.
Returning to the original theme, I would never go without electric; but that is my personal modus operandi and I know that some want the option; I wonder, honestly though, how many, as a proportion, especially among those who favour club sites.
If the club paid for metering (I'd love to know the cost; with 20,000 pitches, it surely is several million, perhaps well into eight digits [pure guess]), the difficulty is recovering that cost; this is especially so if you do them all (as Peedee suggests), but then some people don't use them. You'd have to put the pitch fee up to recover the fixed cost and that will make pitches even more expensive for those who don't want electric. I reckon it is a very thorny problem for the club.
I cannot see that a higher electric cost changes the incentive to install meters though, as DK suggests. The club must know the average electric usage and this must be costed into pitch prices. How much of that price is attributable to the electric usage doesn't really change anything. The driver for meters is a greener planet and satisfying those who think the current system is unfair. When you realise that, you realise what a huge decision it is for the club. It should be done, but I don't envy them having to make the decision.
Too many people think it's simple. It isn't!
Posted on 02/10/2022 10:25
In your fifth paragraph you wonder what proportion of club site users don’t want ehu. There is the rub. If people don’t want it, and don’t want to pay the increasing cost, then the camp elsewhere. To really encompass motor homers surely the club should be looking to provide more options.
I entirely agree with your penultimate paragraph.
Posted on 02/10/2022 10:29
Asking for non electric pitches on cc sites is where they have problem as the vocal minority who would use them are far outweighed by those who must have EHUs
I agree some sort of metering may give the few who a non electric pitch is "vital?" the choices but to as posted several times by members it is not as simple and certainly not a cheap installation to covert sites as many are not owned by this or the ccc so the very large investment would need serious thought by either club
it would also increase costs as not like domestic meters they would all be required to be calibrated annually?
Posted on 02/10/2022 10:25 by HjaIn your fifth paragraph you wonder what proportion of club site users don’t want ehu. There is the rub. If people don’t want it, and don’t want to pay the increasing cost, then the camp elsewhere. To really encompass motor homers surely the club should be looking to provide more options.
I entirely agree with your penultimate paragraph.
Posted on 02/10/2022 10:42
What evidence do you have that the club isn't encompassing motorhomers? In a recent post JK posted:
...stated that what many motorhomers want isn't available with the CAMC. Interesting that there's around 200,000 motorhome owners in this club so they must be providing something that suits that many
But yes I agree the club offers what it does to MHers, if certain MHers don't want that then they will have to go elsewhere and what is wrong with that?
Club sites this year, on the sites I've been on have had good occupancy rates and it's better than previous years in my view, some sites are full at peak times and as I've said often MHs outnumber caravans, Why spend club money that cannot be recouped unless site fees are higher on something that appears to be not needed?
Posted on 02/10/2022 10:25 by HjaIn your fifth paragraph you wonder what proportion of club site users don’t want ehu. There is the rub. If people don’t want it, and don’t want to pay the increasing cost, then the camp elsewhere. To really encompass motor homers surely the club should be looking to provide more options.
I entirely agree with your penultimate paragraph.
Posted on 02/10/2022 10:42
The ccc have some non electric pitches but from a conversation I had with a site manager in a ccc site we were on earlier this year the non electric pitches are normally those that are difficult to get a supply to and are as from when tents were the majority and many did not want EHU
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