How many is too many on a CL?

frontdoorlocked replied on 14/04/2017 17:23

Posted on 14/04/2017 17:23

My apologies if this has been said before but I'm posting on my mobile and its not the easiest to search/navigate discussions.

Ok so, we are currently on a CL for the Easter weekend, (we booked a couple of months ago and who is to say we weren't one of the first 5 people to book). w'Ahen we arrived yesterday we were the fourth outfit on site. We've come back from a trip out this afternoon to find 3 more outfits here. That is 7 in total! The field is big enough and there are plenty of electric hook ups available, so space isn't an issue. But the owner is obviously breaking the rules.

My questions are, is 7 too many? And would you complain? Who if you choose to would you complain to? 

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harryb replied on 14/04/2017 21:07

Posted on 14/04/2017 21:07

I agree with what's been said, 5 is 5 but why are these sites not investigated by the site inspector. There are signs here and on other sites that they are set up permanently for more than the legal number of vans and in the case of the cl in question it has plenty of ehu's available so presumably more than 7. That must be a sign to an inspector that something is not quite right. 

I know of a cl whose owner was warned by the club for this infringemen,t he took no notice, is still a cll today and that warning was nearly 10 years ago. So much for being under control of an inspector.

If the site has more than 5 then report it

Bakers2 replied on 14/04/2017 21:14

Posted on 14/04/2017 21:14

I agree that a CL should stick to 5 vans.  With regard to the EHU if its a large field maybe they have fitted more than 5 EHU to enable a bigger choice of where a member wishes to pitch?

 

Oneputt replied on 15/04/2017 07:17

Posted on 14/04/2017 21:07 by harryb

I agree with what's been said, 5 is 5 but why are these sites not investigated by the site inspector. There are signs here and on other sites that they are set up permanently for more than the legal number of vans and in the case of the cl in question it has plenty of ehu's available so presumably more than 7. That must be a sign to an inspector that something is not quite right. 

I know of a cl whose owner was warned by the club for this infringemen,t he took no notice, is still a cll today and that warning was nearly 10 years ago. So much for being under control of an inspector.

If the site has more than 5 then report it

Posted on 15/04/2017 07:17

Except some CLs have more than 5 EHU so the owner can rotate pitches just like 1 very popular CL in North Norfolk

dmiller555 replied on 15/04/2017 07:58

Posted on 14/04/2017 18:24 by Takethedogalong

Should only be 5 outfits on, however......

Before you complain, check carefully that it is just a CL, and not a CL with either a small private site adjacent, or a CL, with a CS adjacent. They can and do exist, quite legitimately. 

Posted on 15/04/2017 07:58

We use a site like this, the two are divided by a hedge but the facilities are shared so up to ten units could be on site.

Out of interest the CCC allow 5 units plus 10 tents on their Certified Sites.

Fisherman replied on 15/04/2017 09:05

Posted on 15/04/2017 09:05

Blowing in the  wind. Over occupancy is now the norm. Its the stupid rule that makes Cl owners do it. CC has a 5 van rule. C&CC has 5 vans and 10 tents- total 15 units. Planers only  look at Units and see no need to actively monitor CC sites. When Cl move up to commercial they use the fact hat there have been say 8/10 units using the site in their application and they are invariably nodded through without reference to a full planning committee. The planning fee is nothing in the full cost of  moving to say a 15 van site with the EHU, Hard standngs  etc added on. Until someone like CC takes a lead and looks at amending the unit number nothing will change apart from more closures of Cls

harryb replied on 15/04/2017 09:12

Posted on 15/04/2017 09:12

"With regard to the EHU if its a large field maybe they have fitted more than 5 EHU to enable a bigger choice of where a member wishes to pitch"

and that's probably the reason the cl owner will give. I don't accept that. The extra cost of installing more than the required number has got to give a return of investment, it's not for rotation. It's to maximise space and income in my opinion.

 

brue replied on 15/04/2017 09:27

Posted on 15/04/2017 09:27

We've frequently used a CL with a lot of extra EHU points, quite an awkward area that gave people the chance of finding a spot that suited them as there were no marked pitches. The same CL had extra vans sometimes, late stayers and early arrivals often crossed over, there were no set times to be on or off the site. Depends how the CL owner wants to run the site but I like the 5 van rule.

Fisherman replied on 15/04/2017 09:32

Posted on 15/04/2017 09:32

harryb- usually  prelude to moving to commercial as the cost of fitting say 10 EHU as opposed to 5 is minimal. Been on ne CL where there were a three way extention on the EHU accommodating 9 units in total. Surprise. surprise its now a small commercial.

brue replied on 15/04/2017 09:41

Posted on 15/04/2017 09:41

The CL I mentioned used to be a small commercial site many years ago, but after planning was changed a 5 van site was the only acceptable route. Caravan sites aren't popular in AONB. We're probably lucky to have as many small sites as we do at present and if people break the planning rules we'll lose the sites.

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