How many is too many on a CL?

Again sorry but we are out & about all year & can manage quite nicely without the orange umbilical chord & if it's a well drained site then no need for HS either.

We are the same, even with a motorhome we are not tied to hard standings and hook ups, even in the wet and cold months. We are off up onto NY Moors end of this month on grass. And we will manage even if it rains. Like we did last year, in the snow! 

Good luck to all the CL owners that commit to putting in lots of facilities, but don't write off those that choose to leave things as they are, there is still a dedicated and grateful element of the membership happy to enjoy very basic sites.

A number of posters above have referred to the 5 van rule being a consequence of planning permissions. It's not. The 5 van rule is to be found  in the enabling legislation The Caravan Sites (Control of Development) Act 1960. 

The Act is not planning legislation but is Public Health legislation. The two main caravan clubs are given exemption from some of the requirements of the Act subject to certain conditions, one of which is no more than 5 caravans (which of course includes motorhomes). The other main conditions are that people using the CL shall be members of one or other of the two clubs, and there is a maximum numbers of days occupancy.

Rog.

Not quite accurate, Pap. The two clubs are not the only organisations able to grant exemption to 5 van sites and it is not necessary to be a member of C&CC to use a CS.

Fair comment TW. The  two clubs are the main ones and of course the discussion is about CLs and the CAMC.

The salient point in all this is that 5 van rule is a legal requirement and any disregard of the rule is technically a breach of the law. How seriously one views this is a moot point. We have a law about driving and using the phone but it's regularly flouted in fact I was nearly run off the road by a woman on her phone just yesterday,  but that's a whole new can of worms.

I studied this Act many years ago and I'm as sure as I can be that membership of one of the clubs who enjoy exemption was a condition of that exemption. It was many years ago and I'm always happy to be corrected.😇

Hi TTDA - I am aware of their other businesses as we have used the CL since they opened seeing them change from a lovely quiet CL site to a bigger commercial concern and the price increase to boot.  We  go elsewhere now (cutting off nose to spite face) as to us it is no longer a CL and in our opinion break a number of rules - we  have voted with our feet as have  a number of other regulars.  In all this time there  has rarely been less than 6 vans on.

Forget to say - the facilities for the camping and glamping site is the same as  for the  CL.  The access for both is through the CL site. 

All for diversification but that for us isn't the spirit of a CL.

I am aware that the 5 van limit is a legal requirement which is why I made the point earlier about the club being liable to lose its right to issue exemption status if the rules are flouted. It matters not if there is ample space for 20 units or whether anyone is bothered by having more than 5 on site but, in terms of the law, 5 is 5.

To the best of my knowledge it is C&MC who tie the hands of CL owners by stating they can only take members whereas other organisations seemingly do not.

Yes TW as far as I can see it's up to the club with the agreement of the owner to allow or not non-members on it's CLs or CSs. I'm assuming that the CAMC has decided not to allow non-members since the signs on the gate say "Members Only"

 I'm not a member of the C&CC so I can't comment on their stance.

Certainly over the years since 1960 there have been a number of amendments to the original Act mostly due to changes in local authorities. The Local Authority (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act seems to figure large.

I agree that breaking the rules is dangerous as it could lead to the club losing its exemption. Sadly there are those who think they can pick and choose which laws they will obey.

No wonder Local Auth or Nat Parks are  not very interested in getting involved in policing the 5 rule.