Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

mickysf replied on 05/12/2022 15:11

Posted on 05/12/2022 15:11

Eat all you can restaurants are different, they advertise the fact and they base their costs on the average consumer. When using moderate eaters know we are paying some of the glutton’s bill.
The club is different they advertise the fact that we should be frugal and we subsidise those that waste energy purely because they can. In this day and age maybe this approach to consumerism should be questioned. Too many food banks, folk, including children going hungry and obese people with health issues the NHS have to deal with.

mickysf replied on 05/12/2022 15:38

Posted on 05/12/2022 10:42 by Rocky 2 buckets

The price pressure is worldwide CY it’s not down to lack of on site or lack of metering. If I personally ever pay extra for someone to be warm I’m happy to help, it’s the caring thing👍🏻

Posted on 05/12/2022 15:38

Rocky, I have no issue with charitable acts where individuals are suffering and in need. I do object to paying for those who are not in that needy category and who are happy to take from the rest of us purely because they can and the current system is unable to stop them doing so.

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JVB66 replied on 05/12/2022 16:02

Posted on 05/12/2022 15:11 by mickysf

Eat all you can restaurants are different, they advertise the fact and they base their costs on the average consumer. When using moderate eaters know we are paying some of the glutton’s bill.
The club is different they advertise the fact that we should be frugal and we subsidise those that waste energy purely because they can. In this day and age maybe this approach to consumerism should be questioned. Too many food banks, folk, including children going hungry and obese people with health issues the NHS have to deal with.

Posted on 05/12/2022 16:02

We try to avoid the eat all you want restraunt s as their prices tend reflect their advertising 

It is the buffet types where the serve you the meats and then you can help yourselves to vegetables,that the I have paid so I will make a pig of myself and then leave much of what they have put on their plate ,it was really notable when we used Searles at sunny hunny a few weeks ago

Even at the Breakfast Which was all buffet 

Cornersteady replied on 05/12/2022 16:10

Posted on 05/12/2022 15:11 by mickysf

Eat all you can restaurants are different, they advertise the fact and they base their costs on the average consumer. When using moderate eaters know we are paying some of the glutton’s bill.
The club is different they advertise the fact that we should be frugal and we subsidise those that waste energy purely because they can. In this day and age maybe this approach to consumerism should be questioned. Too many food banks, folk, including children going hungry and obese people with health issues the NHS have to deal with.

Posted on 05/12/2022 16:10

I don't see the all different micky the price is advertised on club sites as well and based on the 'average' user too and I think this wasting campers to be a myth that we read about or vastly over-estimated. People use what they need on holiday and that's it. The average isn't fixed either if more people use energy it will go up or down of course if the other way

But again why target club sites with these questions? Why not all inclusive holidays? hotels? I was in a holiday cottage and the energy prices are included but do I care if others are using more than me? I just accept the price.

As to the other issues I don't think metering has any relevance to this or indeed to those of us who use any type of holiday site. If you want I can really tell you what I've come across this term in terms of real poverty.

mickysf replied on 05/12/2022 16:30

Posted on 05/12/2022 16:10 by Cornersteady

I don't see the all different micky the price is advertised on club sites as well and based on the 'average' user too and I think this wasting campers to be a myth that we read about or vastly over-estimated. People use what they need on holiday and that's it. The average isn't fixed either if more people use energy it will go up or down of course.

But again why target club sites with these questions? Why not all inclusive holidays? hotels? I was in a holiday cottage and the energy prices are included but do I care if others are using more than me? I just accept the price.

As to the other issues I don't think metering has any relevance to this thread or indeed to those of us who use any type of holiday site. If you want I can really tell you what I've come across this term.

Posted on 05/12/2022 16:30

The issues are very current. There is an energy crisis and the club, along with many others institutions are now attempting to reduce their energy consumption, wastage and carbon footprint. I have no truck with those who use only that required and are mindful of the bigger picture. I have concerns about those that are wasteful and believe me they do exist on sites, I’ve witnessed them as have others. The heating left on whilst out all day just so the van is toasty warm on return, the awning illuminated by that heater 24/7. If they did not exist the club would not be making those requests for a little more consideration regarding energy consumption.


I think practically everyone of us actively seek the best and most appropriate tariffs for our homes but some when on site just don't care. Believe me, we all pay for those excess users whenever and wherever they are allowed to take that biscuit. It doesn’t  make it right just because they can, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t acknowledge and address that issues they inflict upon us, it doesn’t mean that we should be lazy about our own energy usage. I’m sure many of us would complain bitterly if it was happening in our household budget. I did when my teenage children were at home and they were blood kith and kin and they suffered my repeated request to turn the lights off or the TV when they left the room. That was when there really wasn't an energy crisis too, am I so different to other careful householders, I suspect not. Some obviously have a different approach when it’s not their personal budget mind that they can abuse.

mickysf replied on 05/12/2022 16:43

Posted on 05/12/2022 16:43

The short answer Corners is let both the club and us members do whatever we can to reduce waste/costs and hopefully we may just reduce those pitch fees. At least let’s try!

Cornersteady replied on 05/12/2022 16:48

Posted on 05/12/2022 16:30 by mickysf

The issues are very current. There is an energy crisis and the club, along with many others institutions are now attempting to reduce their energy consumption, wastage and carbon footprint. I have no truck with those who use only that required and are mindful of the bigger picture. I have concerns about those that are wasteful and believe me they do exist on sites, I’ve witnessed them as have others. The heating left on whilst out all day just so the van is toasty warm on return, the awning illuminated by that heater 24/7. If they did not exist the club would not be making those requests for a little more consideration regarding energy consumption.


I think practically everyone of us actively seek the best and most appropriate tariffs for our homes but some when on site just don't care. Believe me, we all pay for those excess users whenever and wherever they are allowed to take that biscuit. It doesn’t  make it right just because they can, it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t acknowledge and address that issues they inflict upon us, it doesn’t mean that we should be lazy about our own energy usage. I’m sure many of us would complain bitterly if it was happening in our household budget. I did when my teenage children were at home and they were blood kith and kin and they suffered my repeated request to turn the lights off or the TV when they left the room. That was when there really wasn't an energy crisis too, am I so different to other careful householders, I suspect not. Some obviously have a different approach when it’s not their personal budget mind that they can abuse.

Posted on 05/12/2022 16:48

Yes agree about the energy crisis but you were talking about, and I was replying to, the food banks and children going hungry which I have seen at first hand.

And sorry I do leave my caravan heating on during the day although sometimes reduced (I've posted this before) as I find nothing worse than coming back after a day out in winter and shivering away in my coat till the caravan warms up thinking I was warmer at the summits, I don't do that at home and certainty won't do that on holiday. I won't waste energy but I will use what I need to enjoy myself and that means coming back to a warm caravan.

We'll agree to differ, politely as always between us but to me a club site is no different to any other holiday accommodation where costs are averaged out by those staying.

 

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