Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

replied on 02/12/2022 11:23

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:39 by Cornersteady

Yes but it was the majority of club sites... that I was referring to. I think that is incorrect based on my travels. There are sites right in the middle of cities, towns, villages and some further out but back of beyond not quite and certainly not in the majority?

 

Posted on 02/12/2022 11:23

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Tinwheeler replied on 02/12/2022 11:49

Posted on 02/12/2022 11:49

In my opinion it is a minority of people who like to use public transport who consider sites to be off the beaten track.

Anyway, EHU metering anyone?.....

Takethedogalong replied on 02/12/2022 11:52

Posted on 02/12/2022 11:52

My apologies, I seem to have tangled my threads🤣 My knitting is a tad rusty……

Bollards to all of it, I say😁 Bring back minimalist camping, at least for the under 70’s👍

JVB66 replied on 02/12/2022 12:08

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:36 by young thomas

I'm sure you're right, David. As I mentioned, the satellite picture of this site shows it to be occupied pretty much exclusively by caravanners who, as you say, have their own transport.

this is certainly why differently placed sites attract different elements of the caravanning fraternity...some good for MH, some better for caravans and cars.

I do think the club has missed the 'blindingly obvious' in evaluating the worth of the new Dornafield site...its currently exclusively filled with caravanners yet the market is rushing headlong into motorhome ownership.

im sure there will still be many, many caravanners around to use this site for years to come (we all hope) but the changing market should surely be a pretty significant element in the long term planning of site purchases.

Posted on 02/12/2022 12:08

In about 8years time? The market may well be contracting quite significantly with any ICE vehicles,and EVs will possibly be to the fore and a narrow access to lodges would not be a problem for those who can drive rather than those who THINK  they cancool

And according to an article by their motoring correspondent in this months ccc magazine a used  EV needs serouse thought at this time if wanting to tow or travel any distancesurprised

ChocolateTrees replied on 02/12/2022 15:37

Posted on 02/12/2022 12:08 by JVB66

In about 8years time? The market may well be contracting quite significantly with any ICE vehicles,and EVs will possibly be to the fore and a narrow access to lodges would not be a problem for those who can drive rather than those who THINK  they cancool

And according to an article by their motoring correspondent in this months ccc magazine a used  EV needs serouse thought at this time if wanting to tow or travel any distancesurprised

Posted on 02/12/2022 15:37

Let's not start on EVs as tow vehicles here. There are plenty of threads to discuss their relative merits. 

Although metered EHU make a lot of sense for an electric future. 

JVB66 replied on 02/12/2022 15:42

Posted on 02/12/2022 15:37 by ChocolateTrees

Let's not start on EVs as tow vehicles here. There are plenty of threads to discuss their relative merits. 

Although metered EHU make a lot of sense for an electric future. 

Posted on 02/12/2022 15:42

Just a by product of previous postundecided

JohnM20 replied on 02/12/2022 15:50

Posted on 02/12/2022 15:50

Apologies for being off thread but I felt I needed to query a statement made by young thomas. He stated :-

" yet the market is rushing headlong into motorhome ownership".

Is this still a fact? According to a salesman that I know from one of the major caravan / motorhome dealers, he told me that at the last NEC show, the enquiries about motorhomes  was only about 40% compared with 60% for caravans. The previous year it had been the opposite way round.

young thomas replied on 02/12/2022 16:54

Posted on 02/12/2022 16:54

If 'only' 40% of new tourers were motorhomes, that's still an enormous amount compared to say five years ago.

in between we've had Covid, staycations etc and now very heavy price pressure. I suspect its much to do with the fact that caravans are still within range for a lot of folk but with MH van conversions starting at nr £60k and even Autotrail and Swift selling vans at over £100k it's a different scenario to back when the boom started.

Anyway, back to EHU....🙂

DavidKlyne replied on 02/12/2022 20:41

Posted on 02/12/2022 15:50 by JohnM20

Apologies for being off thread but I felt I needed to query a statement made by young thomas. He stated :-

" yet the market is rushing headlong into motorhome ownership".

Is this still a fact? According to a salesman that I know from one of the major caravan / motorhome dealers, he told me that at the last NEC show, the enquiries about motorhomes  was only about 40% compared with 60% for caravans. The previous year it had been the opposite way round.

Posted on 02/12/2022 20:41

These stats are 5 years out of date but might serve to show trends?  https://www.thencc.org.uk/Our_Industry/statistics.aspx As you can see the sales of caravans have not, in the stats shown, exceeded their previous peak. On the other hand motorhomes sales continue to rise. I am not sure there is any evidence to suggest that relative trends have changed in the following five years. Caravans, are of course , no longer cheap and motorhomes even more expensive. Most motorhomes seem to be on extended delivery, up to a year is not uncommon and prices since covid have risen. As the manager of my local dealer said what was £50,000 pre COVID is now £70,000!  

To bring it back to the topic, the more motorhomes there are, which tend to have the ability more so than caravans to operate independently of EHU should they wish the demand for metering or non electric pitches could increase. That is by no means certain as there is no way of telling whether given the option motorhomers might decide to use EHU in the same way as caravanners. Until the option of choice is out there we will never know with any certainty?

David

young thomas replied on 02/12/2022 21:32

Posted on 02/12/2022 21:32

David, more and more MH are coming with solar panels and lithium batteries aren't necessarily just options....well they have to fit something to justify the outrageous prices!

Dealers are going to push the added value of such extras and the main one will be the ability to operate away from a hook up given reasonable weather.

As these MHers become more confident with their new found powers, they will add to the calls for sites to give the option of a non inclusive hook up, especially if electric prices continue to rise and the 'cost' of this inclusivity becomes ever more noticeable.

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