Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

JVB66 replied on 02/12/2022 09:49

Posted on 02/12/2022 09:41 by cyberyacht

Knocking a fiver off would still mean that a site would be, more often than not, north of £25. For a non EHU pitch, even with a toilet block, I would consider £25 the most I would be prepared to pay unless there was something quite exceptional about the location. The majority of CAMC sites are a bit in the back of beyond.

Posted on 02/12/2022 09:49

Only in the back of beyond for most motor caravans  not so for caravaners and campervaners whbo both have almost go anywhere vehicleswinkcool

The way prices in all areas are increasing at this time ,it will not be long before it will be difficult to find anywhere to stop legally at £25 per night  let alone below even pub stops as they must be looking at ways to keep goingsurprised

Cornersteady replied on 02/12/2022 10:09

Posted on 02/12/2022 09:41 by cyberyacht

Knocking a fiver off would still mean that a site would be, more often than not, north of £25. For a non EHU pitch, even with a toilet block, I would consider £25 the most I would be prepared to pay unless there was something quite exceptional about the location. The majority of CAMC sites are a bit in the back of beyond.

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:09

Thanks for answering. So I think that means that you wouldn't be using club sites if an non EHU was offered?

So I'm just simply wondering how can you justify posting:

'...might encourage those who are currently reluctant to visit sites more often'?

If it wouldn't for you?

And if course the majority of club sites back of beyond remark is just incorrect.

 

 

replied on 02/12/2022 10:19

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:09 by Cornersteady

Thanks for answering. So I think that means that you wouldn't be using club sites if an non EHU was offered?

So I'm just simply wondering how can you justify posting:

'...might encourage those who are currently reluctant to visit sites more often'?

If it wouldn't for you?

And if course the majority of club sites back of beyond remark is just incorrect.

 

 

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:19

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young thomas replied on 02/12/2022 10:20

Posted on 02/12/2022 09:41 by cyberyacht

Knocking a fiver off would still mean that a site would be, more often than not, north of £25. For a non EHU pitch, even with a toilet block, I would consider £25 the most I would be prepared to pay unless there was something quite exceptional about the location. The majority of CAMC sites are a bit in the back of beyond.

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:20

Irrespective of one's view on location of club sites, I do agree with CY that any site at, say £25 (which is where club sites would be) without EHU would seem mightily expensive to many.

as I posted earlier, a site I know in the New Forest charges £7 for the optional hook up, so prices can vary a bit. I'm assuming they're selling the 'bollard use' rather than the actual electric itself.

the thing is, club sites have risen a lot in the past two years or so and the added pressure of the 'power' component has compounded these increases.

it's pretty obvious from all the regular 'are CAMC sites expensive' threads that there's a real concern that the club is getting beyond its core demographic.

a fiver off prices probably doesn't even put prices back to pre Covid levels...and we had a few 'prices' threads back then...

Takethedogalong replied on 02/12/2022 10:31

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:31

It is mightily expensive. We paid £10 per night with a hook up, drive over waste, tap and waste disposal back in June. Swimming pool next door.
Club is consolidating on its tow a van, hook it into as many services as possible, drive away in car for day market, hence Dornafield. Family market. (Mind most children will want more than table tennis, darts and dog walk…….) 

young thomas replied on 02/12/2022 10:36

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:19 by

"Back of beyond or middle of nowhere " are often verdicts about club site locations from motorhome owners.  Wouldnt know myself as is not imeadiatly obvious  to us caravanners who have our own transport but thinking about some of our regular ( non club,non uk) sites we wouldn't or couldn't use them without  the car..

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:36

I'm sure you're right, David. As I mentioned, the satellite picture of this site shows it to be occupied pretty much exclusively by caravanners who, as you say, have their own transport.

this is certainly why differently placed sites attract different elements of the caravanning fraternity...some good for MH, some better for caravans and cars.

I do think the club has missed the 'blindingly obvious' in evaluating the worth of the new Dornafield site...its currently exclusively filled with caravanners yet the market is rushing headlong into motorhome ownership.

im sure there will still be many, many caravanners around to use this site for years to come (we all hope) but the changing market should surely be a pretty significant element in the long term planning of site purchases.

Cornersteady replied on 02/12/2022 10:39

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:19 by

"Back of beyond or middle of nowhere " are often verdicts about club site locations from motorhome owners.  Wouldnt know myself as is not imeadiatly obvious  to us caravanners who have our own transport but thinking about some of our regular ( non club,non uk) sites we wouldn't or couldn't use them without  the car..

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:39

Yes but it was the majority of club sites... that I was referring to. I think that is incorrect based on my travels. There are sites right in the middle of cities, towns, villages and some further out but back of beyond not quite and certainly not in the majority?

 

Cornersteady replied on 02/12/2022 10:40

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:36 by young thomas

I'm sure you're right, David. As I mentioned, the satellite picture of this site shows it to be occupied pretty much exclusively by caravanners who, as you say, have their own transport.

this is certainly why differently placed sites attract different elements of the caravanning fraternity...some good for MH, some better for caravans and cars.

I do think the club has missed the 'blindingly obvious' in evaluating the worth of this site...its currently exclusively filled with caravanners yet the market is rushing headlong into motorhome ownership.

im sure there will still be many, many caravanners around to use this site for years to come (we all hope) but the changing market should surely be a pretty significant element in the long term planning of site purchases.

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:40

YT, good post as always but I think you've posted in the wrong thread?

Not a critism or having a go btw 

Takethedogalong replied on 02/12/2022 10:48

Posted on 02/12/2022 10:48

The “back of beyond, middle of nowhere” comments do seem to be primarily from those who have previously toured overseas, where there are lots of pitching options either in or very close to towns and villages?

If like us your primary choice is UK touring, then you possibly have an outfit more suitable for UK circumstances, which in truth gives you gorgeous peaceful locations, close to historic houses, footpaths, cycleways, castles, beaches (if you mix up your sites a bit and know your UK geography) Otherwise, it’s stick the MH on a pitch, use it like a caravan, and wait for a bus, or get the bike out. 

UK does need more pitches closer to towns and villages, but you would think twice at using some, depending on where they might be. No one in their right touring mind would use an Aire type stopover in our town. You would have no wheels, and a graffitied outfit if you did, sadly. Better safe away from temptation.

GEandGJE replied on 02/12/2022 11:15

Posted on 02/12/2022 11:15

If we are going off topic Back of Beyond is a really good commercial site in Dorset with loads of forest walks directly from the site.

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