Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

KjellNN replied on 01/12/2022 10:11

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:11

We find that about 15-20 minutes on 2kw is plenty long enough to heat a full tank of water, for showering,  from cold in summer, in our Alde.  Even quicker on gas.  Dish washing needs less HW.

Freezing here right now, so might take a bit longer today!

young thomas replied on 01/12/2022 10:19

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:51 by peedee

As far as I am aware that is correct although I do believe some smaller sites (5 van) are quite happy to to do so. Usually you have to opt to take what the Club refers to as an economy pitch in order to go off grid.

peedee

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:19

A site close to our New Forest favourite' charges £7 for an optional hook up.

KjellNN replied on 01/12/2022 10:19

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:45 by young thomas

I thought the 'confusing campers' line referred to the earlier booking trial of a pitch type, awning or non awning?

so our members are dishonest and easily confused?🤷🏻‍♂️

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:19

It was booking grass or hardstanding.  I think "confusion" was a bit of an excuse at the time, it was more people not remembering what type of pitch they had booked, then getting annoyed when they were not allowed to take a hardstanding that they saw was vacant.

We used one of the sites in the trial, the warden was most relieved when OH agreed that she did know that we had booked a hardstanding, and explained that they were having problems with forgetful members!

young thomas replied on 01/12/2022 10:22

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:19 by KjellNN

It was booking grass or hardstanding.  I think "confusion" was a bit of an excuse at the time, it was more people not remembering what type of pitch they had booked, then getting annoyed when they were not allowed to take a hardstanding that they saw was vacant.

We used one of the sites in the trial, the warden was most relieved when OH agreed that she did know that we had booked a hardstanding, and explained that they were having problems with forgetful members!

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:22

Ah yes, Kjell you're right....sorry, I got confused😉

Cornersteady replied on 01/12/2022 10:30

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:45 by young thomas

I thought the 'confusing campers' line referred to the earlier booking trial of a pitch type, awning or non awning?

so our members are dishonest and easily confused?🤷🏻‍♂️

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:30

Yes it was used last time and of course completely sensible wink

What I meant was they'll probably use it again after the trial for metering.

As to the your last sentence I'm positive that while that may be true for a few it certainly does not apply to either of us. 

replied on 01/12/2022 10:31

Posted on 01/12/2022 08:10 by cyberyacht

Attempted deflection of some members comments on the basis that "you don't use club sites anyway" fails to take into account that amendment of the current regime of "pay for EHU whether you want it or not" might encourage those who are currently reluctant to visit sites more often.

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:31

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Cornersteady replied on 01/12/2022 10:33

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:51 by peedee

As far as I am aware that is correct although I do believe some smaller sites (5 van) are quite happy to to do so. Usually you have to opt to take what the Club refers to as an economy pitch in order to go off grid.

peedee

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:33

Thanks PD, so maybe there is some legal/rule that prevents the club doing so? 

young thomas replied on 01/12/2022 10:42

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:11 by KjellNN

We find that about 15-20 minutes on 2kw is plenty long enough to heat a full tank of water, for showering,  from cold in summer, in our Alde.  Even quicker on gas.  Dish washing needs less HW.

Freezing here right now, so might take a bit longer today!

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:42

...and i think here we have an example of how someone who has been used to using metered electric understands power saving, with it coming naturally.

Water heaters get switched off after use or set to lower temperatures for different applications, shower or dishes, lights turned off when not required etc.

this probably also extends to more careful water usage...

it's so easy to use a much larger supply of water, gas and electricity when hooked up to electric and water, and these (endless) supplies are included with the pitch price.

no problem with this, folk have paid and just want their holiday on a site pitch to be like one in a hotel🏨

...but 'times they are a-changing' (thanks Bob) and a change in style/approach might come as less of a jolt to folk who've already used this type of approach, than to someone who hasn't...

Takethedogalong replied on 01/12/2022 11:31

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:42 by young thomas

...and i think here we have an example of how someone who has been used to using metered electric understands power saving, with it coming naturally.

Water heaters get switched off after use or set to lower temperatures for different applications, shower or dishes, lights turned off when not required etc.

this probably also extends to more careful water usage...

it's so easy to use a much larger supply of water, gas and electricity when hooked up to electric and water, and these (endless) supplies are included with the pitch price.

no problem with this, folk have paid and just want their holiday on a site pitch to be like one in a hotel🏨

...but 'times they are a-changing' (thanks Bob) and a change in style/approach might come as less of a jolt to folk who've already used this type of approach, than to someone who hasn't...

Posted on 01/12/2022 11:31

I think life in general is coming as a bit of a shock for some who have never needed to keep an eye on various bits of the household budget, let alone what happens when away. It’s a steep learning curve for some, whilst others have been doing what they can for much longer.

The horrible irony is that many folks live their lives like this, normally superb at budgeting, but sadly have no slack for current rises, and it’s hitting them hardest. ☹️ 

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