Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

vbfg replied on 01/12/2022 09:23

Posted on 30/11/2022 20:54 by Hja

This is a useful discussion with a variety of views - as it should be in a discussion forum. Why do a couple of you have to squabble?  This forum allows members and non members, allows site users and not site users to participate in the forum.  So why should whether someone uses sites or not be a problem?

We have only used one club site this year for one night (rest have largely been CLs).  Maybe, if electricity was metered I would be more inclined to use club sites, maybe not.  As a member I think I am entitled to contribute and I find the sniping irritating in the extreme (even though I try and ignore it).

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:23

I agree about the nitpicking and petty squabbling being irritating and I suspect it is the reason that many members give up posting or even reading CT.  The irony is, that many of the nitpickers state that all members are entitled to their opinion, then when members post their opinion, they are often criticised and often derided bcause that opinion differs from the opinion of those who do the nitpicking. 

JohnM20 replied on 01/12/2022 09:24

Posted on 01/12/2022 08:55 by peedee

Offering a number of inclusive units might satisfy those who find topping up meters an inconvenience but doesn't that require meters to be read by site staff on departure followed by payment for any excess? That to me adds inconvenience over using a card system.

peedee

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:24

I agree cards would be the way forward, but for a CL with only five outfits, not necessarily changing on a daily basis, the amount of work is negligible.

To answer Kj, it is £33.75 per night or £18.00 with no electric. This is, apparently, the going rate in their very touristy area. On the assumption that we will possibly only use 10 units per day in June, it will bring the price down to about £28.50. Yes, quite costly, but it appears to be a very well maintained CL with many other amenities such as fast, free, site wide Wifi.

Cornersteady replied on 01/12/2022 09:24

Posted on 01/12/2022 08:10 by cyberyacht

Attempted deflection of some members comments on the basis that "you don't use club sites anyway" fails to take into account that amendment of the current regime of "pay for EHU whether you want it or not" might encourage those who are currently reluctant to visit sites more often.

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:24

Apart from labelling someone's valid opinion as an attempted deflection why not answer a simple question?

£5 has been quoted as the reduction in the nightly fee. Personally I think that's a bit low but if that was the case would you then use club sites? 

What's the average club site nightly fee at now?

Cornersteady replied on 01/12/2022 09:29

Posted on 01/12/2022 08:34 by young thomas

It does seem a shame that two consecutive posts suggest that there is a dishonest streak within the club and that members are not to be trusted.

reminds me of that Groucho Marx line "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member."

As has been mentioned earlier, even firms like the major supermarkets are moving to a trust system of checking out in order to reduce costs and to speed up customer pass through.

yes, there will be the odd dishonest person 'trying it on' but the supermarkets will have built this into their overall budget.

any losses would surely be much less than those implementation costs being bandied about for a fully fledged metering system.

surely members won't risk exclusion from the club and the cancellation of their holidays just to try and filtch a bit of leccy, especially if the wardens make it clear that impromptu spot checks will be made during each day.

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:29

As I said before I agree, there must be a reason why the club won't offer a non EHU option, either the one alluded to by PD or something else, maybe it confuses campers which was used last time.

Cornersteady replied on 01/12/2022 09:33

Posted on 01/12/2022 08:46 by peedee

Maybe those advocating the option not to hook up should email the Club for a response as to why they won't do it. I did get an answer many years ago but I have forgotten exactly what was said. I think it went along the lines they would fall foul of the current rules.

I know of no sites in the UK that offer the option when the hook up is available on the pitch.

peedee

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:33

It's the season of goodwill so not nitpicking or anything and perhaps I'm not reading it right but are you saying there no other UK site with EHU included offers a non EHU option?

young thomas replied on 01/12/2022 09:45

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:29 by Cornersteady

As I said before I agree, there must be a reason why the club won't offer a non EHU option, either the one alluded to by PD or something else, maybe it confuses campers which was used last time.

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:45

I thought the 'confusing campers' line referred to the earlier booking trial of a pitch type, awning or non awning?

so our members are dishonest and easily confused?🤷🏻‍♂️

peedee replied on 01/12/2022 09:51

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:33 by Cornersteady

It's the season of goodwill so not nitpicking or anything and perhaps I'm not reading it right but are you saying there no other UK site with EHU included offers a non EHU option?

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:51

As far as I am aware that is correct although I do believe some smaller sites (5 van) are quite happy to to do so. Usually you have to opt to take what the Club refers to as an economy pitch in order to go off grid.

peedee

peedee replied on 01/12/2022 09:56

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:56

I agree cards would be the way forward, but for a CL with only five outfits, not necessarily changing on a daily basis, the amount of work is negligible.

FYI , I am aware there are many CLs who would like to join in with the same system as what might be adopted by the Club. If this was a card system the same card could be used on these CLs as on Club sites.

peedee

brue replied on 01/12/2022 10:03

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:03

I've posted on a thread about 2023 bookings that CAMC have underestimated their energy costs by a large amount and that prices have just gone up. I think this might tie in with ways to conserve energy.

replied on 01/12/2022 10:06

Posted on 01/12/2022 09:29 by Cornersteady

As I said before I agree, there must be a reason why the club won't offer a non EHU option, either the one alluded to by PD or something else, maybe it confuses campers which was used last time.

Posted on 01/12/2022 10:06

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