Is EHU metering a good investment?

GEandGJE replied on 28/11/2022 17:23

Posted on 28/11/2022 17:23

I was going to post this in the thread that has been Deleted User as a number of folk were saying that EHU Metering would make pitch prices cheaper, so Let's play the You Said, We Listened and Implemented game. This is my view based on my experience as an IT Infrastructure Project Manager and in IT Procurement.  To satisfy the We don't want EHU and want cheaper pitch prices group of people, the We only want to pay for the electricity we use group of people and the I'll pay whatever as I'm on holiday group of people, the clubs only option is to move to metered usage. How does the club do that and what investment would be needed. Lets estimate that the club has over 10,000 pitches with an average of 2 hookups per bollard that's 5,000 bollards that will need to be modified and/or replaced and some of those will need groundwork undertaken for new cabling etc, it will require  putting all pitches out of action and subsequent loss of income whilst the work takes place. This can't all be done at once and I think that a 5 year rollout period would be a stretch and it would take a dedicated team at HQ to manage. They would need to procure equipment, electrical installation teams, groundwork teams, IT systems and software to operate the metering and payments, negotiate contracts with all the power companies who supply the club sites and negotiate with any land owners. I don't think you would get much change from a £5 million investment of the clubs (our) money. Issues that the club would need to consider 1) leased sites where the land owner doesn't give permission for the work to be carried out or the lease will soon come to an end 2) the price per kW from each of the power suppliers will vary depending on contract length and renewal dates, so do they average that price out across all sites or do you have different EHU costs in different areas of the network 3) do you factor the suppliers standing charge into the  metered cost,  4) the club would need to move to a credit card only payment system where the payment for EUH used is automatically deducted at the end of your stay 5) a central dispute resolution team, as there will always be people who will challenge the bill and that shouldn't be the on site teams and finally the biggest question for the club, 6) what return on investment will the club get. I doubt very much that the savings made from the electricity used would come close to the investment needed therefore the remaining investment would need to come from reserves and most likely recouped from increased pitch prices. Lastly this would give the club a very inconsistent offering with not all sites offering metered EUH, the cost of EHU could vary from site to site and an even bigger price variance across the network. Not a very good Business Case in my view, in terms of both investment and inconvenience to the membership so I can't see it happening I'm afraid.

watto64 replied on 30/11/2022 19:29

Posted on 30/11/2022 17:31 by ChocolateTrees

I would like to have meters, not because I use less, but because I would like to use more, and would want to pay for it. 

We stayed on a CL over the plattyjubes weekend who had just introduced meters. They were giving 10kWh per day included with the pitch fee, and then charging at their current rate for excess. We had stated before we went that we would potentially charge the car, but in the end didn't have a need to.

As it was, we were well under the 10kWh per day used (which is quite a lot for 2 in a 2016 Vigo with Alde heating). 

Having a meter would allow the option to charge the car knowing how much I would spend and how competitive that rate might be. The current option of a flat fee means that I have to have the battery at a level "just so" to both have time to charge and ensure the cost is reasonable (sensible). It was also remove any concern over the illegality of charging (money) over the MRP cap (a topic in another thread). 

Posted on 30/11/2022 19:29

ChocT,

Was it Poole Farm CL?

GEandGJE replied on 30/11/2022 20:03

Posted on 30/11/2022 18:14 by young thomas

I'm neither 'worrying' nor making the decisions. I'm merely taking part in a discussion on a members forum, as I told you earlier, if you recall.

you seem to be far more 'worried' than anyone else, taking it upon yourself to defend every post made.

As PD points out, the club has already made the money to invest in sites. Metering might be one of those investments and may contribute to folk continuing to use sites...that's a real benefit.

If the club continues to price its pitches 'inclusive of electricity' those headline prices will accelerate faster than if it were disconnected, leaving customers to 'worry' about whether those prices remain within their reach.

personally, I think a better idea is to just have a simple yes or no to taking a hookup as it costs nothing and satisfies two of the three member 'groups' mentioned upthread, and hopefully leaving you 'unworried' about the money your club might consider spending. Win, win?

 

Posted on 30/11/2022 20:03

Sorry  I don't agree that a Yes or No is simple. I don't have the trust that you have in people being honest, especially if the differential between the cost of Non EHU pitch  and a EHU pitch is significant and if the EHU charges are high the temptation for a sneaky hook up could prove to great. The club would then be exposed to electricity charges it could not reclaim.

Tinwheeler replied on 30/11/2022 20:13

Posted on 30/11/2022 20:03 by GEandGJE

Sorry  I don't agree that a Yes or No is simple. I don't have the trust that you have in people being honest, especially if the differential between the cost of Non EHU pitch  and a EHU pitch is significant and if the EHU charges are high the temptation for a sneaky hook up could prove to great. The club would then be exposed to electricity charges it could not reclaim.

Posted on 30/11/2022 20:13

…..which, if your suspicion proved correct, could result in increased pitch fees for all in order to recoup any shortfall.

Sadly, I’ve witnessed a camper pilfering electricity by using two hook ups and while the yes/no is a great simple solution, it’s naïve to expect it to be problem free. 

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Tinwheeler replied on 30/11/2022 20:22

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Posted on 30/11/2022 20:22

However, the question is whether lekky should be metered  which is something I’m sure will come in due course in the interests of fairness and which will enable CAMC, or any site operator, to establish a more stable pricing regime. 

 

Cornersteady replied on 30/11/2022 20:22

Posted on 30/11/2022 18:49 by young thomas

I'll certainly carry on posting, that's not your gift to give😉

I actually said I thought the relationship with its members was being stretched and i still think that despite your repeated reassurances to the contrary 

believe it or not I can make my own mind up over value of campsites without your valued assistance and I'll act on my own decisions as I've always done.

...but thanks for 'worrying' about me😉

 

Posted on 30/11/2022 20:22

I'm not but thanks.

Well you did say those things but having not used club sites apart from two I find it difficult to know how you can apply it to all sites?

I haven't tried to tell you anything about how you make your decisions, you were talking about others no no idea what you're on about.

Anything on my post regarding this thread though?

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